[Sw-l] How do you write SW as fast as script writing for spoken languages?

André Thibeault atg at VIDEOTRON.CA
Sun Mar 20 16:33:36 UTC 2022 

Hi Val, Nancy and everyone,

Val: Yes, my family visited you in 2012. Your mother and your father were
very nice. Your father and I discussed about a science because he liked a
lot of the science. If he still lives, please tell him hello for me.

Nancy Romero: Thank you for your ASL interpreter because you could help my
family communicate effectively with Val's parents.

Best regards,

André

Le 22-03-19 22:47, « Valerie Sutton » <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> a écrit :

>SignWriting List
>March 19, 2022
>
>You are a good friend, André - thank you. I thought of you last Sunday,
>when we had such a fun reunion of DAC members - and I remembered that you
>and your family came to visit here in my home years ago - what year was
>that? And I hope we can visit in person again sometime in the future -
>maybe through a special visit on Zoom or Skype? we’ve known each other a
>long time - my best wishes to your family - please tell them “hello” for
>me!
>
>Val ;-)
>
>-------------
>
>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 4:49 PM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Val and everyone,
>> 
>> Yes, I remember that I participated in the online handwriting course.
>>But,
>> it was a very short time because of your health problem. I was happy
>>that
>> you took good care of yourself.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> André
>
>------------
>> 
>> Le 22-03-19 18:03, « Valerie Sutton » <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> a écrit :
>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> March 19, 2022
>>> 
>>> Old course onlineŠyears agoŠ we even had homework that I posted -
>>> everyone did real wellŠ smile...
>>> 
>>> Write SignWriting by Hand
>>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/cursive.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Adamąs video and slides on SW Handwriting in 2014:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html#video
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> March 19, 2022
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello SignWriting List, Sutthikhun, Carlos, AnnaGrace and Adam,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for this discussion on SignWriting Shorthand and
>>>>> HandwritingŠ. letąs keep talking...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Adam, and all of you, are the next generation of handwritersŠ it
>>>>>needs
>>>>> to be based on the way people are writing SignWriting Printing, that
>>>>>is
>>>>> used for publishing today Šso that there is a clear connection with
>>>>> SignWriting Printing, Handwriting and Shorthand of this era - 2022
>>>>>and
>>>>> forward...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile, since you mentioned the old eraŠ.from an historical
>>>>> perspective, we certainly did have a successful Shorthand back in the
>>>>> 1980s. It was based on the SignWriting Printing of that era, which
>>>>>was
>>>>> written with a full stick figure, Receptive, and written
>>>>>horizontally.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will be happy to post the 1980ąs books, if it would be useful. But
>>>>>I
>>>>> donąt want to confuse people eitherŠ
>>>>> 
>>>>> To explain, we took shorthand notes of complete classes at CSUN
>>>>> (California State University of Northridge), based on the
>>>>>interpreters
>>>>> who were signing the classes for Deaf participants, and then later
>>>>>the
>>>>> shorthand notetakers re-wrote the shorthand notes for the Deaf
>>>>> participants so they would have something to refer to from the class
>>>>>-
>>>>> the SW shorthand notes were written at speed while the interpreter
>>>>>was
>>>>> signing so they were oftentimes a little messy so then the new notes
>>>>> that were re-written, were in clearer SignWriting for the reader.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But then I learned from a linguist who worked with our DAC (Deaf
>>>>> Action Committee), Dr. Karen van Hoek, that Karen used the Shorthand
>>>>> system to write for daily use for herself and her notes and she
>>>>>avoided
>>>>> the formal SignWriting for her own personal notetaking. I was really
>>>>> happy about that of course -
>>>>> 
>>>>> So why are we not using the 1980ąs Shorthand today? Because the DAC
>>>>> asked for important changes to SignWriting in the late 1980s:
>>>>> 
>>>>> some of the changes were...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Receptive changed to Expressive
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. Writing horizontally changed to writing in vertical columns
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. Some hand symbols changed - and the list goes on with the changesŠ
>>>>> 
>>>>> So here is my question for you all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I post the old SignWriting Shorthand materials, will it confuse
>>>>> your modern development of SignWriting Handwriting and Shorthand?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It could be beneficial in some ways too - just as long as you all
>>>>> realize how long ago this wasŠ and it is really meant for the history
>>>>> archives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Adam, how do you feel about this? Should I post the 1980ąs Shorthand
>>>>> book?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If we had a new Shorthand book side by side with it, that might make
>>>>> it clear, the differencesŠ hmmmŠ. another project! ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This has always been an interesting discussion for me. :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I never really learned SignWriting shorthand as it was designed and
>>>>>> used originally. I did talk about it with Valerie quite extensively,
>>>>>> though. She had told me that the handbook you are referring to
>>>>>>needed
>>>>>> to be updated if it were to be used because the system has gone
>>>>>> through a lot of changes since it has been in use. That is probably
>>>>>> why it isnąt available for download.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carlos sent you a link to a presentation that I did on this topic.
>>>>>>It
>>>>>> is a good place to start, but even my handwriting has changed since
>>>>>> then since it is coming up on 10 years since. Wow! I guess I should
>>>>>> look at how I handwrite now and document it somehow. I know that
>>>>>>there
>>>>>> are a lot of symbol changes for faster writing, for one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have also been doing a lot of dictionary sorting lately so I have
>>>>>> been writing by SignSpellingSequence. I have often wondered if it
>>>>>>were
>>>>>> to become established and commonly used if inputing solely by
>>>>>> SignSpellingSequence would be a fast way to write as well. It makes
>>>>>>it
>>>>>> easy for writing, but makes reading very difficult as it loses all
>>>>>> visual aspect of SignWriting, so I am not so sure if it is a good
>>>>>> thing to consider. Ha!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have also been testing out various approaches to make it so I can
>>>>>> write fewer symbols, including the use of timing symbols in a new
>>>>>>way,
>>>>>> but I havenąt really gotten to a place where I am satisfied that it
>>>>>> works well. I know that I mentioned it in the presentation I gave in
>>>>>> 2014 and it has been picked up by others around the world, but I
>>>>>> havenąt really used it much myself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 2:36 AM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai
>>>>>>> <suttikunep at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you for your answer and the link you provided, Carlos!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sutthikhun
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 at 23:56, Ms. AnnaGrace
>>>>>>> <msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was thinking about shorthand too!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you, Carlos, for the link. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:19 PM Carlos Cristian Libras
>>>>>>> <carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I make daily use of SW in shorthand.
>>>>>>> I took a part of Adam presentation from the link -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html#abstract
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Another friend from Ethiopia also made some cursive hand shapes,
>>>>>>> which I copied. Some forms I invented myself to facilitate my
>>>>>>> registration.
>>>>>>> Last month I did a translation that I will record a video in ASL
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>> before recording I wrote everything with SW shorthand, and then I
>>>>>>> recorded it. So I use it daily, and I know many others around the
>>>>>>> world use it too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:30 AM Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai
>>>>>>> <suttikunep at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi everyone in SW List! Let me ask you something ‹
>>>>>>>    € Is SW shorthand still in use nowadays? I remember SW used to
>>>>>>> have a handbook for writing shorthand as well, unfortunately I
>>>>>>>can't
>>>>>>> find a link to download it.
>>>>>>>    € Do you usually apply SW shorthand in your writing? If not, how
>>>>>>> do you write as fast as script writing for spoken languages?
>>>>>>>Writing
>>>>>>> with SW, in my opinion, is a hybrid between sketching and writing,
>>>>>>> which makes it too slow to write if you want to take quick notes.
>>>>>>> Thank you ;)
>>>>>>> Sutthikhun
>>>> 
>
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