[Sw-l] What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes

Wed May 4 12:35:21 UTC 2022

Hi all,

I would take example (4), because the hand will be open during movement.
If the reader knows signwriting well, then I would like to reduce the
symbols.

There is the symbol for opening the fingers.  " ^ "

I'm interested if you guys can read my proposed signwriting better.

[image: image.png]

I know, not always only the first hand form is enough, sometimes you need
the end hand form for that. How about highlighting the two hand shapes in
different colors. Start handshape -> dark gray and end handshape -> black?

[image: image.png]
Uta

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 2:19 AM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Rubens,
>
> A very good question. I don’t think there is any “standard” guideline
> about how to write these cases. It is really what is the most readable to
> those who use the language.
>
> Since I am not native to Libras, I can’t give you a definite answer for
> both spelling. However, I can give you some help regardless as a native
> signer. :-)
>
> When I personally face these sort of issues, I ask myself if the sign is a
> compound, which means there are two separate parts to the sign as if they
> had their own separate meaning. The English words for audiovisual and
> SIgnWriting are compounds (audio + visual and Sign + Writing). So with that
> in mind, when I look at the sign for “audiovisual” in your video, I get the
> feeling there are two parts. Because of that, I would pick the first
> example because it is written to show the separation. (Although I would
> reduce the gap between so they aren’t read as separate words.)
>
>
> Of course, since I am not a native Libras signer – my Libras is minimum at
> most – my interpretation could be wrong and there isn’t a compound in two
> signs here. If that were the case, the second spelling might be better.
> However, I would suggest a minor change in spelling since I didn’t see an
> inward traveling movement between the first and second handshape like there
> was to the last handshape. (I placed the handshape above, but it could also
> be placed next to as well.)
>
>
> The same could be said for the Libras sign for SignWriting. The first
> example is written as if it is a compound, while the second spelling is
> written as if it were one sign. To me as a non-native Libras signer, I
> don’t see that sign as a compound and would probably use the second
> spelling. But maybe it is a compound and should be written as in the first
> spelling.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On May 3, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <
> rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone on the SignWriting List,
>
>
> Recently there was a question that we talked about in the SignWriting
> Brasil WhatsApp group regarding how to write a sign that uses more
> movements and more than one handshape. The example was the audiovisual
> spelling in Libras. There was a member of the group that did the direct
> writing (term I use for writing that is not done and 2 steps), however, I
> found the writing to be confusing, difficult to read, so I suggested
> writing in 2 steps (according to example (1) of the attached video) in
> order to facilitate reading.
>
> I learned from Adam that this is the best option in these cases, when some
> time ago I introduced him to the SignWriting script used in Libras with two
> writing possibilities. Adam explained that the writing (from example 3 in
> the attached video) was more readable.
>
> My question is how can I understand when I can use direct writing in order
> to save graphemes and spaces when writing signs with more movements and
> more than one handshape, and also where can I find more guidelines,
> references to publications that clarify this question .
>
> Thank you in advance for everyone's attention and support!
>
> Here's a link to the video on YouTube:
>
> https://youtu.be/IxD7Kfc2uow
>
>
>
> Hugs!
>
> Rubens Almeida
>
>  Questionamento no SignWriting List.mp4
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1faO20kT8VHNk4EiTzQlcw1bUbta_00jO/view?usp=drive_web>
>
>
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