[Sw-l] What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes

Wed May 4 17:10:43 UTC 2022

Hi Uta and everyrone,

 Is similar to .

 Is not similar to ,

Best regards

André

De :  Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
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Date :  Wed, 04 May 2022 14:35:21 +0200
À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet :  Re: What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes

Hi all,

I would take example (4), because the hand will be open during movement.
If the reader knows signwriting well, then I would like to reduce the
symbols.

There is the symbol for opening the fingers.  " ^ "

I'm interested if you guys can read my proposed signwriting better.

I know, not always only the first hand form is enough, sometimes you need
the end hand form for that. How about highlighting the two hand shapes in
different colors. Start handshape -> dark gray and end handshape -> black?

Uta

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 2:19 AM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Rubens,
> 
> A very good question. I don¹t think there is any ³standard² guideline about
> how to write these cases. It is really what is the most readable to those who
> use the language.
> 
> Since I am not native to Libras, I can¹t give you a definite answer for both
> spelling. However, I can give you some help regardless as a native signer. :-)
> 
> When I personally face these sort of issues, I ask myself if the sign is a
> compound, which means there are two separate parts to the sign as if they had
> their own separate meaning. The English words for audiovisual and SIgnWriting
> are compounds (audio + visual and Sign + Writing). So with that in mind, when
> I look at the sign for ³audiovisual² in your video, I get the feeling there
> are two parts. Because of that, I would pick the first example because it is
> written to show the separation. (Although I would reduce the gap between so
> they aren¹t read as separate words.)
> 
> 
> Of course, since I am not a native Libras signer  my Libras is minimum at
> most  my interpretation could be wrong and there isn¹t a compound in two
> signs here. If that were the case, the second spelling might be better.
> However, I would suggest a minor change in spelling since I didn¹t see an
> inward traveling movement between the first and second handshape like there
> was to the last handshape. (I placed the handshape above, but it could also be
> placed next to as well.)
> 
> 
> The same could be said for the Libras sign for SignWriting. The first example
> is written as if it is a compound, while the second spelling is written as if
> it were one sign. To me as a non-native Libras signer, I don¹t see that sign
> as a compound and would probably use the second spelling. But maybe it is a
> compound and should be written as in the first spelling.
> 
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
>> On May 3, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida
>> <rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone on the SignWriting List,
>>  
>> 
>> Recently there was a question that we talked about in the SignWriting Brasil
>> WhatsApp group regarding how to write a sign that uses more movements and
>> more than one handshape. The example was the audiovisual spelling in Libras.
>> There was a member of the group that did the direct writing (term I use for
>> writing that is not done and 2 steps), however, I found the writing to be
>> confusing, difficult to read, so I suggested writing in 2 steps (according to
>> example (1) of the attached video) in order to facilitate reading.
>> I learned from Adam that this is the best option in these cases, when some
>> time ago I introduced him to the SignWriting script used in Libras with two
>> writing possibilities. Adam explained that the writing (from example 3 in the
>> attached video) was more readable.
>> My question is how can I understand when I can use direct writing in order to
>> save graphemes and spaces when writing signs with more movements and more
>> than one handshape, and also where can I find more guidelines, references to
>> publications that clarify this question .
>> Thank you in advance for everyone's attention and support!
>> Here's a link to the video on YouTube:
>> https://youtu.be/IxD7Kfc2uow
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs!
>> Rubens Almeida
>> 
>>  Questionamento no SignWriting List.mp4
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1faO20kT8VHNk4EiTzQlcw1bUbta_00jO/view?usp=d
>> rive_web> 
>> 
>> 
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