[Sw-l] What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes

Wed May 4 20:24:26 UTC 2022

Hi Andre,

very interesting to hear, what " ^ " does mean for you.

I don't know, which sign language do you use. I use DGS, german sign
language. I have to think long and hard to find a gesture in which a fist
turns into a flat hand. And I have to say, I can't think of one. So I
selected fist and finger movement at sign2mint.de. There are about 300
matches out of 5000, all to "5".

A question for all, there are thin "^" and thick "^". What ist the
difference?

Greetings Uta

André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> schrieb am Mi., 4. Mai 2022, 19:18:

> Hi Uta and everyrone,
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> [image: glyphogram.php.png] Is similar to [image: glyphogram.php.png].
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>  Is not similar to [image: glyphogram.php.png],
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> Best regards
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> André
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> De : Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Wed, 04 May 2022 14:35:21 +0200
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes
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> Hi all,
>
> I would take example (4), because the hand will be open during movement.
> If the reader knows signwriting well, then I would like to reduce the
> symbols.
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> There is the symbol for opening the fingers.  " ^ "
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> I'm interested if you guys can read my proposed signwriting better.
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> [image: image.png]
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> I know, not always only the first hand form is enough, sometimes you need
> the end hand form for that. How about highlighting the two hand shapes in
> different colors. Start handshape -> dark gray and end handshape -> black?
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> [image: image.png]
> Uta
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 2:19 AM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Rubens,
>>
>> A very good question. I don’t think there is any “standard” guideline
>> about how to write these cases. It is really what is the most readable to
>> those who use the language.
>>
>> Since I am not native to Libras, I can’t give you a definite answer for
>> both spelling. However, I can give you some help regardless as a native
>> signer. :-)
>>
>> When I personally face these sort of issues, I ask myself if the sign is
>> a compound, which means there are two separate parts to the sign as if they
>> had their own separate meaning. The English words for audiovisual and
>> SIgnWriting are compounds (audio + visual and Sign + Writing). So with that
>> in mind, when I look at the sign for “audiovisual” in your video, I get the
>> feeling there are two parts. Because of that, I would pick the first
>> example because it is written to show the separation. (Although I would
>> reduce the gap between so they aren’t read as separate words.)
>>
>>
>> Of course, since I am not a native Libras signer – my Libras is minimum
>> at most – my interpretation could be wrong and there isn’t a compound in
>> two signs here. If that were the case, the second spelling might be better.
>> However, I would suggest a minor change in spelling since I didn’t see an
>> inward traveling movement between the first and second handshape like there
>> was to the last handshape. (I placed the handshape above, but it could also
>> be placed next to as well.)
>>
>>
>> The same could be said for the Libras sign for SignWriting. The first
>> example is written as if it is a compound, while the second spelling is
>> written as if it were one sign. To me as a non-native Libras signer, I
>> don’t see that sign as a compound and would probably use the second
>> spelling. But maybe it is a compound and should be written as in the first
>> spelling.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On May 3, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <
>> rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone on the SignWriting List,
>>
>>
>> Recently there was a question that we talked about in the SignWriting
>> Brasil WhatsApp group regarding how to write a sign that uses more
>> movements and more than one handshape. The example was the audiovisual
>> spelling in Libras. There was a member of the group that did the direct
>> writing (term I use for writing that is not done and 2 steps), however, I
>> found the writing to be confusing, difficult to read, so I suggested
>> writing in 2 steps (according to example (1) of theattached video) in order
>> to facilitate reading.
>>
>> I learned from Adam that this is the best option in these cases, when
>> some time ago I introduced him to the SignWriting script used in Libras
>> with two writing possibilities. Adam explained that the writing (from
>> example 3 in the attached video) was more readable.
>>
>> My question is how can I understand when I can use direct writing in
>> order to save graphemes and spaces when writing signs with more movements
>> and more than one handshape, and also where can I find more guidelines,
>> references to publications that clarify this question .
>>
>> Thank you in advance for everyone's attention and support!
>>
>> Here's a link to the video on YouTube:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IxD7Kfc2uow
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>>
>>
>> Hugs!
>>
>> Rubens Almeida
>>
>>  Questionamento no SignWriting List.mp4
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1faO20kT8VHNk4EiTzQlcw1bUbta_00jO/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>>
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