[Sw-l] What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes

[Uta Meißner]

Dear Valerie,

thank you for links with a lot of Informations.

I actually don't remember reading those once, although I was on signpuddle
a lot 3 years ago looking for information. I missed a lot of things. Well,
I will take the time to read them.

Thanks for your suggestion on my sign names 🙂 I like it better. 😊
I had once thought long and hard about when just beginning hand shape, when
just ending hand shape and when both. And unfortunately couldn't find any
simple rules about it, which I could then explain to everyone who wants to
use the sign search at sign2mint.de.
If they exist, please tell me. That would make me happy.
My current immature thinking is, there are two parts at SWU. The first part
is responsible for the order of the found results, while the second part
contains information about symbols in the signwriting image, their
coordinates and level. There I would like to put all the symbols that the
signwriting describes, but in their assigned place.
1. right initial hand shape
2. right end hand shape
3. left initial handshape
4. left end hand shape
5. localization (head, neck,..)
5. contact before movement
6. primary movement for right hand
7. secondary movement for right hand
8th primary movement for left hand
9. secondary movement for left hand
10. contact after movement
11. dynamics (fast, slow,..)
12. dynamics (parallel, alternating ...)
13. facial expression mouth
14. facial expression eye
15. ....

@all Do any of you here still consciously use the first part of SWU? When
do you need it?

Best regards
Uta

Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> schrieb am Mi., 4. Mai 2022, 18:21:

> SignWriting List
> May 4, 2022
>
> Hello everyone, and Uta -
> Thank you for these questions related to how many handshapes are needed to
> write signs. And your examples show two different issues.
>
> So let me take your second example first.
>
> When I personally write, I follow our SignSpelling Guidelines, that help
> with this issue. Your second example would be written differently,
> following "SignSpelling Guideline 1: First Write the Position of Contact”,
> which is explained on numbered pages 194-195 in the Lessons in SignWriting
> Textbook. It is also explained on this web page:
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html
>
> Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, (See numbered pages 194-195)
> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf
>
> So to explain… in your second example, following the Guideline, I would
> write the “Position of Contact”, because there is real meaning in the
> ending position. And to have a position of contact, there has to be an open
> position in the beginning, so that can be assumed…
>
> So I would write it this way. In my attached example, the second one would
> take away the opening position because it can easily assumed:
>
>
>
>
> On May 4, 2022, at 5:35 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would take example (4), because the hand will be open during movement.
> If the reader knows signwriting well, then I would like to reduce the
> symbols.
>
> There is the symbol for opening the fingers.  " ^ "
>
> I'm interested if you guys can read my proposed signwriting better.
>
>
>
> I know, not always only the first hand form is enough, sometimes you need
> the end hand form for that. How about highlighting the two hand shapes in
> different colors. Start handshape -> dark gray and end handshape -> black?
>
>
>
> Uta
>
>
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