[Sw-l] Another HoopWriting attempt...

Fri Mar 17 15:00:50 UTC 2023

Hi Valerie and rest of the list!

Thanks for your kind reply, Valerie.

I totally agree with the two points you mention for writing systems. I
think standardization is important for readability. Sometimes when the
system expands, changes/additions are necessary, but only when there is a
good reason for it. That is why I wanted to check about the feet. I am not
an expert on all kinds of movements/sports, but the very reason that I came
up with the idea for HoopWriting is that it has a lot of similarities with
sign language, more so than other types of movement I think. Especially for
the following reasons:

   - it uses specific handshapes to do the tricks and also the direction
   your palm faces is very important. If you use the wrong handshape or hold
   your hand in the wrong direction, the trick won't work. For example, there
   is a transition from one move to another where you circle the hoop once
   around your thumb and then around four fingers on a flat hand.
   - tricks happen on specific planes (horizontal and vertical (front,
   sides, and back) or move between those planes
   - with hoop dance people generally don't move around the space a lot
   (compared to say ballet or football). People mainly stay in one place,
   facing forwards, or sometimes turn around. Of course, people can combine
   hoop dance with other kinds of dance, so in that case, they might move
   around through the space more but in basic hoop dance not so much. However,
   legs are important in hoop dance: to spin the hoops around your legs for
   example, or kicking the hoop up. In those cases, the position of the legs
   and the feet is important, because otherwise, just like with hand
   positions, the trick might not work. So in hoop dance legs and feet are
   used more like a tool, similar to arms and hands, to do tricks and less to
   move around the space like with ballet dance or lots of sports. This is why
   it feels more natural for me to write the feet in a SignWriting style.

You mention creating a space on the internet for HoopWriting. If you like
it I could create a WordPress site where I post any future HoopWriting I do
(and of course, you can link to it from the SignWriting/MovementWriting
site)?
And because it is WordPress, if in the future there are more people
interested in writing HoopWriting, I can give them admin rights to the site
so they can post their own.

And I think just calling it HoopWriting would be enough 😅, or if it had
any name attached to it it would be Sutton of course!

Have a nice day and kind regards,
Suzanne

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 5:03 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:

> SignWriting List
> March 15, 2023
>
> Hello everyone, and Suzanne -
>
> Great to hear from you again, Susanne.
>
> And thank you for this message, and for writing and teaching SignWriting
> and your new development, HoopWriting, which I love.
>
> Do you have files for HoopWriting that I can post on MovementWriting.org?
> Or did you give those to me already? I am a little poor in memory sometimes
> but I am pretty sure we have files for your work…
>
> I think we should create a separate area on the internet just for
> HoopWriting...separate from SportsWriting, that records exactly the way you
> are teaching and writing HoopWriting. That way your work will be preserved
> for the future, and people will inform us over time what is best…. and
> whatever you choose I wholeheartedly accept it and want to show it to the
> world.
>
> Thank you for your darling animation which you attached….
>
> Writing systems have two issues - 1. standardization so everyone can read
> each other’s writings, and 2. flexibility and creativity should be
> possible, so I bet your ideas are fresh and young and need to be
> acknowleged and used.
>
> Below for example, is the current documentation for the old SportsWriting
> in Sutton Movement Writing - there are a lot more files for writing
> skateboarding, and gymnastics and ice skating that I never posted - so you
> can see we need a section for HoopWriting…but is it a sport? Whatever
> category we place it in, we need to be able to find it quickly to discuss
> it…
>
> SportsWriting
> SportsWriting <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>
> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>
> [image: favicon.ico] <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>
>
> Skateboarding
> Skateboard Writing <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>
> movementwriting.org
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>
> [image: favicon.ico]
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>
>
> Gymnastics
> Write Gymnastics Movements
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>
> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>
> [image: favicon.ico] <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>
>
> Ice Skating
> Write Ice Skating Movements
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>
> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>
> [image: favicon.ico] <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>
> <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>
>
> So I guess I was seeing HoopWriting as a gesture or movement writing issue
> that includes the lower body, like in DanceWriting. Of course you are
> skilled in SignWriting and that is a different focus you are right -
>
> I am starting a series of Internet Archive sections for our large writing
> system, but I have only just started… but we could make an Internet Archive
> entry for Pach HoopWriting too ;-)
>
> Tell us what you want to do….
>
> Blessings and thanks for sharing!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ---------
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2023, at 7:51 AM, Suzanne Pach <suzannepach at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Hope you are all well! It has been a while but recently I had a go at
> doing some HoopWriting again! This time I used Affinity designer (similar
> to Adobe Illustrator). See gif attached.
>
> I plan to do more later, but for now I have a question about writing the
> feet. @Valerie, quite a while ago when I did some other HoopWriting
> attempts, you told me in MovementWriting the feet are written in a
> different way:
> https://www.movementwriting.org/lessons/fullbody/fullbody05.html.
> However, since I am writing the hands in a SignWriting way, to me it feels
> more natural to write the feet in a "SignWriting" way as well: when I draw
> the side of the foot I draw a black (outside of foot) or white (inside of
> foot) rectangle and when I show the foot from the front or behind (like in
> the attached example) I show a small black/white square.
> On the other hand, of course, I want to respect your creation and stay
> true to the way you created it. How do you and others think about this?
>
> Thanks for any replies and have a nice day!
> Suzanne
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