[Sw-l] Another HoopWriting attempt...

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Sun Mar 19 02:35:12 UTC 2023


SignWriting List
March 18, 2023

Hi everyone and Suzanne -

Thank you for this reply - HoopWriting certainly is unique and I think it is really fascinating… it is impressive how much detail there is...

WordPress seems like a great choice, mainly because you are skilled at programming it - so I think that is a good idea. Send us the links - I can link to the WordPress files.

Recently I found out that we can create our own pages and archives on the Internet Archive (InternetArchive.org), and I am enjoying creating new places on the internet to share our materials - we continue to have our own server, but I think it is important that we also post our documents in other places on the web too - so WordPress sounds like a good opportunity -

Thanks once again, Suzanne - look forward to seeing more HoopWriting!


Val ;-)




Valerie Sutton
sutton at signwiting.org



> On Mar 17, 2023, at 8:00 AM, Suzanne Pach <suzannepach at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Valerie and rest of the list!
> 
> Thanks for your kind reply, Valerie. 
> 
> I totally agree with the two points you mention for writing systems. I think standardization is important for readability. Sometimes when the system expands, changes/additions are necessary, but only when there is a good reason for it. That is why I wanted to check about the feet. I am not an expert on all kinds of movements/sports, but the very reason that I came up with the idea for HoopWriting is that it has a lot of similarities with sign language, more so than other types of movement I think. Especially for the following reasons:
> it uses specific handshapes to do the tricks and also the direction your palm faces is very important. If you use the wrong handshape or hold your hand in the wrong direction, the trick won't work. For example, there is a transition from one move to another where you circle the hoop once around your thumb and then around four fingers on a flat hand. 
> tricks happen on specific planes (horizontal and vertical (front, sides, and back) or move between those planes
> with hoop dance people generally don't move around the space a lot (compared to say ballet or football). People mainly stay in one place, facing forwards, or sometimes turn around. Of course, people can combine hoop dance with other kinds of dance, so in that case, they might move around through the space more but in basic hoop dance not so much. However, legs are important in hoop dance: to spin the hoops around your legs for example, or kicking the hoop up. In those cases, the position of the legs and the feet is important, because otherwise, just like with hand positions, the trick might not work. So in hoop dance legs and feet are used more like a tool, similar to arms and hands, to do tricks and less to move around the space like with ballet dance or lots of sports. This is why it feels more natural for me to write the feet in a SignWriting style.
> You mention creating a space on the internet for HoopWriting. If you like it I could create a WordPress site where I post any future HoopWriting I do (and of course, you can link to it from the SignWriting/MovementWriting site)? 
> And because it is WordPress, if in the future there are more people interested in writing HoopWriting, I can give them admin rights to the site so they can post their own. 
> 
> And I think just calling it HoopWriting would be enough 😅, or if it had any name attached to it it would be Sutton of course!
> 
> Have a nice day and kind regards,
> Suzanne
> 
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 5:03 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>> wrote:
>> SignWriting List
>> March 15, 2023
>> 
>> Hello everyone, and Suzanne -
>> 
>> Great to hear from you again, Susanne.
>> 
>> And thank you for this message, and for writing and teaching SignWriting and your new development, HoopWriting, which I love.
>> 
>> Do you have files for HoopWriting that I can post on MovementWriting.org <http://movementwriting.org/>? Or did you give those to me already? I am a little poor in memory sometimes but I am pretty sure we have files for your work…
>> 
>> I think we should create a separate area on the internet just for HoopWriting...separate from SportsWriting, that records exactly the way you are teaching and writing HoopWriting. That way your work will be preserved for the future, and people will inform us over time what is best…. and whatever you choose I wholeheartedly accept it and want to show it to the world.
>> 
>> Thank you for your darling animation which you attached….
>> 
>> Writing systems have two issues - 1. standardization so everyone can read each other’s writings, and 2. flexibility and creativity should be possible, so I bet your ideas are fresh and young and need to be acknowleged and used.
>> 
>> Below for example, is the current documentation for the old SportsWriting in Sutton Movement Writing - there are a lot more files for writing skateboarding, and gymnastics and ice skating that I never posted - so you can see we need a section for HoopWriting…but is it a sport? Whatever category we place it in, we need to be able to find it quickly to discuss it…
>> 
>> SportsWriting
>> SportsWriting
>> movementwriting.org
>> 
>>  <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>SportsWriting <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>
>> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>	 <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/index.html>
>> Skateboarding
>> Skateboard Writing
>> movementwriting.org
>> 
>>  <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>Skateboard Writing <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>
>> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>	 <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/skateboarding/>
>> Gymnastics
>> Write Gymnastics Movements
>> movementwriting.org
>> 
>>  <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>Write Gymnastics Movements <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>
>> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>	 <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/gymnastics/>
>> 
>> Ice Skating
>> Write Ice Skating Movements
>> movementwriting.org
>> 
>>  <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>Write Ice Skating Movements <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>
>> movementwriting.org <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>	 <https://www.movementwriting.org/sports/iceskating/>
>> 
>> So I guess I was seeing HoopWriting as a gesture or movement writing issue that includes the lower body, like in DanceWriting. Of course you are skilled in SignWriting and that is a different focus you are right -
>> 
>> I am starting a series of Internet Archive sections for our large writing system, but I have only just started… but we could make an Internet Archive entry for Pach HoopWriting too ;-)
>> 
>> Tell us what you want to do….
>> 
>> Blessings and thanks for sharing!
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
>> ---------
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 7:51 AM, Suzanne Pach <suzannepach at gmail.com <mailto:suzannepach at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Hope you are all well! It has been a while but recently I had a go at doing some HoopWriting again! This time I used Affinity designer (similar to Adobe Illustrator). See gif attached. 
>>> 
>>> I plan to do more later, but for now I have a question about writing the feet. @Valerie, quite a while ago when I did some other HoopWriting attempts, you told me in MovementWriting the feet are written in a different way: https://www.movementwriting.org/lessons/fullbody/fullbody05.html. 
>>> However, since I am writing the hands in a SignWriting way, to me it feels more natural to write the feet in a "SignWriting" way as well: when I draw the side of the foot I draw a black (outside of foot) or white (inside of foot) rectangle and when I show the foot from the front or behind (like in the attached example) I show a small black/white square. 
>>> On the other hand, of course, I want to respect your creation and stay true to the way you created it. How do you and others think about this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any replies and have a nice day!
>>> Suzanne
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