[Sw-l] Question about writing with Handshape from different perspectives

Sat Oct 14 19:00:42 UTC 2023

Hi Carlos!

This information about the position of the forearm to differentiate the
perspective of the Handshape, must be related to the inclination of the
Handshape under the wall plane, I believe... But, anyway, I'm looking
forward to watching your explanation in the video you will send to us, and
thus better understand your observation.

Signed hugs!

Em sáb., 14 de out. de 2023 às 15:23, Carlos Cristian Libras <
carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> escreveu:

> Greetings to everyone, in fact I have another opinion on how to
> differentiate the two C.M. It has to do with the position of the forearm.
> However, the simplest answer is that in every language small phonological
> variations are okay to be exchanged. There's even a name for this in
> linguistics, it's called "allophony". There are two ways to write signs
> using the signwriting method; the first being 100% faithful to the
> phonological representation and the second representing the sign that was
> written Without much phonic detail. This is wonderful, as signwriting is
> the only current writing system that allows At this moment I am not in an
> environment that allows me to record video to show my perception of the
> difference in the position of the forearm that interferes with this. But I
> can then prepare a video and send it. Adam's explanation matches allophony,
> I agree, but there are more ways to understand this situation, so I would
> like to have the opportunity to show you later Of course, if you have the
> patience to put up with me.
>
> Em sáb., 14 de out. de 2023 3:14 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <
> rubens.escritadesinais at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Hi AnnaGrace, Adam, Val and SignWriting List Members...
>>
>>
>>
>> You are very attentive, I thank you immensely for your kindness in
>> helping me with my question!
>>
>> AnnaGrace, upon your request, will be happy to teach you how to edit
>> similar videos. This video was edited using the Microsoft program -
>> PowerPoint. I need to complete some projects, including the production of a
>> book that I will use in the next SignWriting course in the first half of
>> 2024. As soon as I complete them, I will record editing video classes in
>> PowerPoint with a focus on producing materials in SignWriting. My proposal
>> is to present it with explanations in LIBRAS (Brazilian Sign Language) with
>> translation into Portuguese in the form of audios and with subtitles in
>> English with review by someone fluent, considering that I do not have
>> command of English, unfortunately.
>>
>> Thank you very much Adam for the clarifications, now it is very clear
>> about when to use the Handshape symbols from different perspectives, when
>> it is not possible to write them with the same perspective. The examples
>> used were excellent, they helped me understand well.
>>
>> Val, if you can find more guidance in the publications, it will help me a
>> lot to reference this information in the book I am producing, which I
>> mentioned above. But, in any case, I will quote the guidelines contained
>> here, in the SignWriting List forum. Thank you very much Val for the
>> encouragement and kind message.
>>
>> I am very grateful to everyone!
>>
>> Signed hugs!
>>
>> Em sáb., 14 de out. de 2023 às 13:27, Valerie Sutton <
>> sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> October 14, 2023
>>>
>>> Hello Rubens, AnnaGrace, Adam and SignWriting List Members...
>>>
>>> I agree with all three of your messages on this thread. Thank you,
>>> Rubens, for creating such a clear and informative video:
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/khEbbOUk2-c
>>>
>>> I agree with AnnaGrace that your videos are so beautiful and I too would
>>> love to learn how you create such good looking and instructive videos. You
>>> must have quite a library of videos by now that teach SignWriting. Thank
>>> you for these.
>>>
>>> And just as Adam has already explained so clearly, although it is true
>>> that it generally is better to use the same perspective within the writing
>>> of a sign, there are times when it is clearer to use two perspectives, as
>>> Adam illustrated. Sometimes the thumb, for example, can get in the way… to
>>> make sure the writing is clear, SignWriting offers the writer a choice of
>>> perspectives… In the beginning we were concerned that this could be
>>> confusing but as far as we can tell, it is not confusing - in fact, the
>>> flexibility of the writing system is one of the reasons it is used on a
>>> daily bases around the world…
>>>
>>> So your video shows it beautifully. It is best to try to use the same
>>> perspective, but when that is not practical, you are welcome to mix
>>> perspectives.
>>>
>>> As far as a textbook or instruction place on the web that explains this
>>> - hmmmm - I will look at our books. I think we do need to improve our
>>> instruction so I will get back to you if I find something.
>>>
>>> Also, different perspectives when writing also are mixed in regards to
>>> Overhead View, Side View, and so forth… There was a recent message from
>>> Josenilson asking about this very topic - writing from the Side View
>>>
>>> Thank you for your messages!
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Valerie Sutton
>>> sutton at signwiting.org
>>> SignWriting.org
>>>
>>> ---
>>> > On Oct 14, 2023, at 5:54 AM, Profo Rubens Almeida <
>>> rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello to all SignWriting List members!
>>> > We know that the SignWriting system allows you to write a sign with
>>> more than one possibility, that is, two or more ways of writing the same
>>> sign. My question is about the writings that can be recorded with the
>>> Handshape in the same perspective and that can also be recorded with the
>>> Handshape in different perspectives, whether they can have a preference of
>>> choice, aiming to propose a writing pattern.
>>> > To illustrate, I made a short video containing an example of writing
>>> that fits this question.
>>> > Follow the video link below:
>>> > https://youtu.be/khEbbOUk2-c
>>> > Experienced SignWriting writers have already advised me that it is
>>> preferable to choose writing that contains handshapes in the same
>>> perspective. Therefore, I would like to know if there is any publication
>>> that makes exactly this recommendation.
>>> > Thank you for everyone's attention!
>>> > Signed hugs!
>>> >
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