[Sw-l] Question about the direction of movement indicated by the touching contact symbol

[Carlos Cristian Libras]

As I said in the other email, there are two ways to write:
1. Exact writing (100% faithful recording of the signed phonology,
representing all parameters as done)
2. Meaningful writing (record necessary for reading and understanding the
sign.)

The international signwriting rules that we have in manuals are more
focused on the first case, as to create dictionaries using examples, an
"exact writing" record is ideal. Because a foreigner can read and reproduce
the signal.
However, the second case "Meaningful writing" becomes much more useful for
writing books, letters, messages and personal notes.
In fact, this second case "Meaningful writing" has rules for each country,
independently, as there are more writers and everything is fine.
For example, in Brazil we demarcate the plural with small dashes " | | ",
proposed by Debora Campos.
This is not absurd. Many languages, including English, do not read exactly
what is written, pronunciation is an arbitrary agreement, this opens up the
possibility of "pronouncing" mentioned by Adam.

I'm making material that talks exactly about these international rules and
national rules, as we still don't have official material about this (that
talks about this).

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 8:31 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I reference to my previous email, I am talking about the SW with the two
> touch symbols (no arrows).
>
> AnnaGrace
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 7:18 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Profo Almeida,
>>
>> In the second video on this thread, I would read the SW as “only the
>> right hand moves and touches the stationary left palm” as indicated in the
>> second demonstration within the  video.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> AnnaGrace
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 5:57 PM Profo Rubens Almeida <
>> rubens.escritadesinais at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly Adam, regardless of the use of the three movements (movement
>>> made by the right hand, left hand or both) does not change the meaning. I
>>> used this example to make sure how to correctly read the writing of the
>>> “tempo (soccer)” sign with the double touch symbol. Now it has become clear
>>> that in this case, in the reading process it allows varying different
>>> movements by not changing the meaning. And in cases where the movement of
>>> the sign is specific in relation to the dominant hand and the passive hand,
>>> I must write with the corresponding arrow and not just the contact symbols.
>>>
>>> Again, thank you very, very, very much Adam for the clarification!
>>>
>>> Signed hugs!
>>>
>>> Em sáb., 14 de out. de 2023 às 16:51, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> When writing with only the double touch symbol, any of those movements
>>>> could be interpreted and acceptable. My question is do those other
>>>> movements have a difference in meaning? If not, it just becomes a
>>>> difference in accent, but people will still understand each other. If there
>>>> is a difference, then you should write it for the difference in meaning.
>>>>
>>>> ASL has a sign that is similar to your sign for time, but only the
>>>> double touch contact symbols would be used because it really doesn’t matter
>>>> which of the three different movements are done as it doesn’t change the
>>>> meaning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <
>>>> rubens.escritadesinais at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello to all SignWriting List members!
>>>>
>>>> I'm here again with more questions for you...
>>>>
>>>> The contact symbols: (touch, grasp, between, strike, brush and rub) are
>>>> part of the movement category, which is why in certain cases we can write
>>>> movement signals using only the touch contact symbol, without the need to
>>>> use the arrows. However, if there is a need to highlight the movement
>>>> performed by the right or left hand, it is necessary to write the arrow
>>>> corresponding to the correct hand.
>>>>
>>>> In the video that I make available via the link below, I used the
>>>> example of writing the “time” sign in LIBRAS (Brazilian Sign Language)
>>>> which has movement and we generally write only with the contact symbol
>>>> touching, without using arrows. But, when we write this way, how should
>>>> this writing be read? What is the direction of movement indicated by the
>>>> contact symbol touching the writing of this sign?.
>>>>
>>>> Video link:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/VL0T2G5wTQI
>>>>
>>>> Signed hugs!
>>>>
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