[gothic-l] Jiddish

Sun Feb 15 16:04:14 UTC 2015

No I said I understand the main opinion of the definition of Yiddish id that it is based on a Germanic language, in this case Gothic with mixtures of Turkish and Slavic languages.

Tore

> On 15 Feb 2015, at 16:20, Dicentis a roellingua at gmail.com [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Tore,
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> A few citations of books is not proof of your claim, can you please cite parts out of these books which support your claim?
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> Also, I will make a comparison between some Yiddish basic vocabulary and Turkish vocabulary here, Torre please explain why these differences are here if your theory is correct:
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> (די פֿראַגע(ס    di frage(s) – question(s)    Turkish for question is soru
> (דאָס בוך (ביכער    dos bukh (bikher) – book  Turkish for book is a loan from Arabic kitap, and the word for to write is yazmak, doesn't look like bukh at all
> (דער טיש(ן    der tish(n) – table    Turkish for table is tablo
> (דער מענטש(ן    der mentsh(n) – person   Turkish loan from Arabic is insan, another word is adam, a native Turkish word is kişi, please explain why mentsh and kishi are similar
> צום בײַשפּיל     tsum bayshpil – for example   looks like German zum Beispiel and not like Turkish mesele
> ?װאָס איז דאָס    vos iz dos? – what is this?     Turkish would be something like nedir? German would be:  Was ist das?
> . . .דאָס איז     dos iz… – this is…    Turkish would be:   noun + -dir, German would be   das ist...
> (די שטול(ן     di shtul(n) – chair    Turkish is sandalye, German is Stuhl
> (דער מאַן (מענער     der man (mener) – man      Turkish is adam, but this word looks like German and Dutch Mann/man and Dutch meneer and German Mein Herr
> (די פֿרױ(ען    di froy(en) – woman    Turkish is bayan, German is Frau.
> (דאָס מײדל(עך    dos meydl(ekh) – girl   Turkish is kız, German is Mädchen
> (דער קאָפּ (קעפּ    der kop (kep) – head    Turkish is kafa
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> Out of 12 comparisons there is just 1 word, head, which looks a bit similar to Yiddish but which is most likely a coincidence or a loan.
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> Torre, how can the core vocabulary of a language with words like person and question change so much from it's, what you say is, a Turkish source language?
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> 2015-02-15 11:38 GMT+01:00 Tore Gannholm tore at gannholm.org <mailto:tore at gannholm.org> [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com <mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>>:
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> Hi,
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> Brook, Kevin Alan, The Jews of Khazaria, 2009
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> Dunlop, D.M., The history of the Jewish Khazars, 1954
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> Koestler, Arthur, Den trettonde stammen, 1992 
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> The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Paperback – June, 1978
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> by Arthur Koestler <http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&field-author=Arthur+Koestler&search-alias=books&text=Arthur+Koestler&sort=relevancerank> (Author)
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> According to the Exhibitions in the
> Museum in Oskar Schindler’s Factory in Krakow
> the Germans had not come across the Yiddish language until they invaded Poland and realised that the Polish jews spoke another language than the jews in Germany
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> Tore
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>> On 14 Feb 2015, at 19:43, write2andy at yahoo.com <mailto:write2andy at yahoo.com> [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com <mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
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>> "There is no question"? I'm guessing you know 0% of the Yiddish language. Show me where you found that there is "no question" that Yiddish is Turkic, or could possible have any Turkic influence at all. I know Yiddish, not fluently but I know a large portion of it (probably 30% to 50%) and not once have I seen any Turkic words in it. Not just the core vocabulary, but loan words, too. I haven't seen even one. If you can come up with at least one, or hopefully more, especially ones that clearly aren't later loan words, please, do show me them.
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>> And it's spelled "Yiddish", with a "Y".
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>> And there's no way Yiddish grew out of Gothic.
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