LL-L "Etymology" 2009.12.01 (04) [EN]

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From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.30 (06) [EN]

from Heather Rendall heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk

Jonny wrote: So the well-known influence of Irish and Scottish missionares
on the continental Germanic folks brought the *'kirke'* with it (even
supported by the Mightiest of the Mighty - Charly), and this fact also
explains that '* kirke'* appears in Britain nearly at the same time as on
the continent.

Two things to add: the Celtic Church was also keenly influenced by the
Desert fathers of the (?) Coptic or at least Eygptian Christian Church - so
contact via the Med / Gibraltar / Spain perhaps or France / Ireland

The concept of the single cell retreat came this way.

Secondly re my reference to the use of 'betehus' which no-one has picked up.
I have always been puzzled by the town name in Wales of Betwys y Coed  where
the Betwys = Chapel. Yet it sounds and looks as tho' it ought to be derived
from the German. Could a returning father have imported it back to Wales???

Heather

Worcester UK
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Heather,

I wonder if early Dutch-speaking immigrants had their hands in this: *
*betehuus* > **bedehuis* (*gebedshuis*)?

Remember that large numbers of medieval Dutch speakers, mostly in the
garment trade, moved to Wales and later from their to parts of England and
Scotland (hence surnames like Fleming, Walsh, Welsh etc.).

But wait! There's more!

Old Saxon actually has the word *bedehūs* ("prayer house")!

Old Low Frankish sources are scarcer, but I consider it possible that it had
a cognate.

Now I'm starting to wonder if you are right in suspecting that the word was
introduce to Wales from a Saxon source.

In Old English I would expect a cognate like **bidda**hūs*, but there seems
to no trace of that.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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