LL-L "Etymology" 2009.12.02 (03) [EN-NL]

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From: Utz H.Woltmann <uwoltmann at gmx.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.12.02 (01) [EN]

Diederik schreef:

"Bedehuis" I have never seen in Dutch, although it is a valid compound I
think as we have "bedevaart" with bede- as first element, meaning
pilgrimage.

Beste Diederik,

in de bijbel wordt het huis van God bedehuis genoemd, bijv. Jesaja 56:6,7

"Die zal Ik ook brengen tot Mijn heiligen berg,20) en Ik zal hen verheugen
in Mijn bedehuis;21) hun brandoffers22) en hun slachtoffers zullen aangenaam
wezen op Mijn altaar;23) want Mijn huis zal een bedehuis genoemd worden24)
voor alle volken.25)"
...
"21)    in Mijn bedehuis;
    Hebreeuws, in het huis mijns gebeds; dat is, in den tempel, die
geordineerd is tot een huis, waarin men mij aanbidt, en voorts de kerk van
God in het algemeen."
...
"24)    genoemd worden
    En het behoorde ook zodanig inderdaad te zijn."

http://www.statenvertaling.info/js56.htm

"BIJBEL DAT IS DE GANSE HEILIGE SCHRIFT BEVATTENDE AL DE KANONIEKE BOEKEN
VAN HET OUDE EN NIEUWE TESTAMENT
DOOR LAST VAN DE HOOG-MOGENDE HEREN STATEN-GENERAAL DER VERENIGDE
NEDERLANDEN EN VOLGENS HET BESLUIT VAN DE SYNODE NATIONAAL GEHOUDEN TE
DORDRECHT IN DE JAREN 1618 EN 1619 UIT DE OORSPRONKELIJKE TALEN IN ONZE
NEDERLANDSE TAAL GETROUWELIJK OVERGEZET."
http://www.statenvertaling.info/

Groetjes uit Olland
Utz H. Woltmann

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From: LUCAS ANNEAR <annear at wisc.edu>
 Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.12.02 (01) [EN]

Diederik,

I'm not sure what the borrowing situation is (or which way it might've
been), but Norwegian (and other Scandinavians?) has "bedehus" meaning I
think the same thing.

Regards,
Lucas Annear
Madison, Wisconsin, USA

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Lucas,

I'm pretty sure that Norwegian *bedehus* goes back to Middle Saxon
*bedehūs*via massive Saxon influx during the era of the Saxon-speaking
Hanseatic
Trading League. Actually, it could even go back to Old Saxon
*bedehūs*("praying house"), since Christianization of Scandinavia,
though regulated
by the Franks, emanated from what is now Northern Germany. Hamburg was
primarily established as a trading post and missionary headquarters for
Scandinavia and to a lesser degree to the Polabian Slavs (who where
geographically the closest to Hamburg at the time). In turn, "Vikings" and
Slavs frequently attacked and sacked Hamburg. The beginning of these
missions preceded the establishment of the Hanseatic Trading League.

Norwegian may have received *bedehus* directly from Saxon or via Danish,
which has *bedehus* as well. (It seems to mean 'chapel' rather than actually
'church'.)

If Old Norse had a cognate word I would expect **bœn(i)hūs*. In Icelandic I
would expect **bænhús* or **biðjahús*, in Faroese **bønhús* or **biðjahús*.
I can't verify the existence of any of them. Swedish, however, does have
expected *bönhus*, which may or may not be a Saxon calque (i.e. loan
translation). Finnish has *rukoushuone *("prayer room") which may or may not
be a Swedish or Saxon calque.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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