LL-L "Etymology" 2009.05.15 (02) [EN]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at telenet.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.05.14 (02) [EN]

I remember my (grand)parents used 'eisken' (in Western Flemish) for Dutch
'eisen', just like 'mensken' for 'mensen' .
Groetjes,
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene

From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <roerd096 at PLANET.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.05.08 (02) [EN]

Hi folks

"Aks" may be an earlier form, but "ask" is closer to the original.
Dutch "eischen" (in older spelling) proves that the -sk- is the genuine
Germanic form.
The fact that English doesn't have "oash" but "ask" can mean that:
1) it is one of the numerous Scandinavian loans with sk for sh
2) the methatesis is old, and there must have been parrallell forms ask
and aks throug out history, which prevented -sk in ask to become -sh..

Kind regards, Ingmar

ron wrote:
Isn't another word like this "ask" whose English dialectical and Scots
form "aks" is the earlier one?

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
 Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.05.14 (02) [EN]

From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <roerd096 at PLANET.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.05.08 (02) [EN]

Hi folks

"Aks" may be an earlier form, but "ask" is closer to the original.
 Dutch "eischen" (in older spelling) proves that the -sk- is the genuine
Germanic form.

The Westerlauwer Frisian word "easkje" (where "je" is a verbal ending, from
OG *-o:jan), from Old Frisian "âskia".
The Old Frisian is almost identical what I what expect the Old English to
have been. Here "*ai" > "â", as is typical for
Old Frisian on the mainland (most "ai" became "ê", but some became "â"), but
standard for Old English (one of the main differences, in fact, between the
language varieties in those days).

The fact that English doesn't have "oash" but "ask" can mean that:


Wouldn't the vowel have been shortened, before clusters? Then it would
becomes "ash", which would collide with "ash" from "æsk-" (ashes).
(the latter is "jiske" in modern Westerlauwer Frisian, from "*ieske" <
"*e:ske", Old Frisian "*e(:)ska".

1) it is one of the numerous Scandinavian loans with sk for sh


The vowel speaks against it, wouldn't it?

2) the methatesis is old, and there must have been parrallell forms ask
and aks throug out history, which prevented -sk in ask to become -sh..


I'd maybe go for 2).

Henno

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