LL-L "Phonology" 2012.02.17 (02) [EN]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <roerd096 at PLANET.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2012.02.16 (05) [EN]

Thanks blokes. I hear it rather as [ɔː] than [aʊ], but it's hard to tell
really... The former would also make more sense than the latter, in my eyes.

In the sound  of Plautdietsch I think to hear a Dutch accent, it sounds
"Dutcher" or more familiar somehow than the present day  Low Saxon dialects
of Germany.

Btw your non Mennonite clip, is that from the US? I thought it was just
East Frisian, it sounds so much like Groningen Low Saxon.

Enjmaur

From: Michael Everson everson at evertype.com
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2012.02.16 (04) [EN]

> From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <roerd096 at PLANET.NL>

 > Nice, Michael (btw: EVERtype as in EVERson?),

Of course.

> I have a question: how is "au" pronounced in Plautdietsch, is it a
diphthong like German and Dutch au, and English ou/ow, or is it more like
an open "o" like sound, as English aw/au, or something else?

I have assumed it is [ɔː] or similar.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Hi, Ingmar!

You asked about the phonetic equivalent of "au" in Mennonite Low Saxon
(Plautdietsch) (equivalent of Central Low Saxon short /a/ [a] and Dutch
short /a/ [ɑ]).

Personally I hear it as [ɑʊ] most of the time (as opposed to "German-style"
[aʊ]).

But why not listen to it yourself?

Jack Driedger:
http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/khortitza.php

 Reuben Epp (our dear late Lowlands-L member):
http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/molochna.php

Another clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A37iqbo1BE

Please bear in mind that k > kj is older than "Russian" ("Soviet") k > kj >
tj. This goes hand in hand with the shift u > ü. In other words, Mennonites
whose ancestors left "Russia" earlier use kj and u, while those that left
"Russia" more recently use tj and ü.

Here is a non-Mennonite Low Saxon dialect of the Midwest USA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMiElxOaHIo

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
 Subject: Phonology

Hi, Ingmar!

Btw your non Mennonite clip, is that from the US? I thought it was just
East Frisian, it sounds so much like Groningen Low Saxon.

I thought it is somewhere in the North American Midwest. Also, they mention
American businesses. I may be wrong, though, considering that just now I
heard them mention Aldi, a German grocery chain.

It sounds closest to Eastern Friesland and Emsland dialects to me.

Most Groningen dialects have [aˑɪ] where most other dialects have [ɛˑɪ].

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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