Fwd: Re: Respectful Request for a Translation

[Scott Tyler]

allaa tlaas!
nika tlap tenas ikta koopa tsinook wawa! 
I found nice Chinook tidbits!
nanich koopa pook yaka nem
Indian Legends of Pacific Northwest by Ella Clark
copyright 1953 University of California Press

p 53  in 1865 a young soldier William M.Colvig had learned Chinook jargon in his childhood 
 
Looks like Chinook was pretty wide spread as a means of intertribal communication, and later replaced by English as a means of common communication. 

Even more interesting is Andrew Joe from the Swinomish Reservation, talking about the 'Beginning of the Skagit World' on p. 138-140.  He puts all the Changers together.
 
"In the beginning Raven and Mink and Coyote helped the creator plan the world." p 139

later "Doquebuth, the new creator came"... p 139

Later in his story he talks about how all the people would speak the same language as a sign when the next Change would come.

"that a new language would be introduced into our country.  It will be the only language spoken, when the next change comes.  When we can understand the animals, we will know the change is halfway.  When we can talk to the forest, we will know that the change has come." p 140

I like to think of Chinook jargon being a new language as it was a synthesis of Native and Europeon languages.  Later it was replaced by Engish as a means of intertribal and inter-racial communication on the NW coast.

Has anyone ventured to say when was the beginning of the use of Chinook Jargon?  Perhaps with Hudson Bay company?  Is there evidence that tribes with very little Europeon contact used Chinook Jargon for intertribal communication?
When was the hay day or peak of Chinook usage on the Northwest coast?

Scott




 

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Scott,

Yes, and your possibility has historical precedent.  Fr. Demers'  
dictionary has kwan ("k" written with kappa meaning it's glottalized  
or "ejected") as 'tame, docile, gentle, meek, quiet'.  Fr. St Onge  
also has the compound kwan-tomtom 'meekness, humility'.

And I also find, in a text by St. Onge describing the Catholic marriage rite:

tlush spos iaka kwanesom mitlait kopa tKeH, pi kopa helo-saleks
'may it be she always lives in love, and in peace' (K for glottalized  
again, H for a fricativized "h"; St. Onge writes as k, h with  
superposed tildes).

helo-saleks 'lacking-anger/fighting' is perhaps an intutively more  
straightforward way of expressing the basic concept of 'peace' than  
kopet-saleks.  In fact, I might have to differ with Duane on this one.  
  Both of these words, hilu 'lacking, without' and saliks 'angry,  
fighting' are part of the basic vocab of regional "Chinook", and I  
think that the compound does get at some of the essence of the concept  
"peace".  Henry



Quoting Scott Tyler <s.tylermd at COMCAST.NET>:

> HI All,
> another possibility,
>
> There may be a term kwan = tame, don't know if this is wide spread
>
> kwansim mika tomtom kwan miLayt
>
> always your heart/mind tame be
>
>
> Scott
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Troy E Bouchard
>   To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>   Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Respectful Request for a Translation
>
>
>   How does:
>
>      Kopa mika kopa kloshie tumtum
>
>   sound?
>
>   Wawa Kopa Saghalie
>   http://www.beautiful-beginnings.org
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   From: "Jeffrey Kopp" <jeffreykopp at ATT.NET>
>   Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:05 PM
>   To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>   Subject: Fwd: Re: Respectful Request for a Translation
>
>   Another motto translation challenge.
>
>   Thanks.
>
>   Jeff
>
>   >jeffrey,
>   >
>   >i'm stil here at harvard working on this project. can you   
> translate something close to "be thou at peace" (as in your job is   
> well done, and you may be at peace now...).
>   >
>   >or is there a word for just "peace"?
>   >
>   >sorry to bother you...
>   >
>   >lissa v. young
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