New file uploaded to gothic-l (Christmas and Yule)

[Ingemar Nordgren]

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Hi again,

I must make still a remark.

November is in our old calendar  slaughtermonth -slaktmånad and
december is I think Göje. We must however count the former Yule a
little earlier since the present calender answers  for Yule to the 13
December in the Iulian calender. The winter sacrifice, start pof
winter, occured also according to the present calender around the 4th
of november full moon, which is in the middle of november in the
Iulian one.The mid-winter sacrifice varied between 21 january to
beginning march depending on the full moon in a 8-year cycle. To
complicate it we probably had a cultic year of 13 months ruled by the
moon and a 12 months year ruled by the sun. Now the 13th of December
we celebrate Lusse (Christian variant- Lucia) and have hoisting demons
asking for furnishing exactly  like the former  julfolk (shamanistic
cultic leagues). I think also the carol singing  begging for money in
AS countries is a remnant of this. Accordingly when stating time for
Yule we have to, i presume, use the sun calendar but for sacrifices
the moon calendar. It can be a little tricky.

Best
Ingemar



-- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Ingemar Nordgren" <ingemar at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Llama non and Arthur,
> 
> I am sure you both know that several researchers have suggested ther
> is a treasury of preserved Gothic in Finnish. Other however have
> denied it and meant it is PGmc or Nordic borrowings. Still there is a
> good possibility  that juhla could derive from Gothic. Who am I to know.
> 
> I knew of course of the microscanning of Gothic documents but only of
> the new technique as such and not of specific results as in the case
> of Naubaimbair. I must ask Lars more specific of that next time we
> meet. Typically enough we met together with the Bulgarians in Uppsala
> but I had no idea of this very thing.
> 
> Your reference, Llama, to Dróttin is good and it has parallels in A-S
> and OSax. The Swedish example is however much later - medieval. The
> sense in any case is good and your suggestion of fraujins mel
> gabaurþais seems good to me for the Christian feast and so we can save
> jiuleis(in the proper form that you as linguist decide), preferably as
> before and after, for Yule. Everybody are happy.
> 
> Best greetings
> Ingemar
>


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