accusative + analytical DO markers

[Paolo Ramat]

Dear All,
DOM as obligatory marking of Direct Object (DO) is a well-known feature of (South)Italian dialects and other Romance varieties (e.g. Catalan)
I wouldn’t consider Ich gehe durch den Gang as an ex. of DO. As Sergey rightly states, we have here a PP  specifying the notion of ‘gehen’.
But when you have Ho visto a Maria ‘I saw Mary’ instead of standard Italian Ho visto Maria, Catal. les monges   no estimen a les nenes  ‘the nuns don’t lik the girls’, a is a real DO marker and the construction is Nomin./Accus. The use of DOM is subject to certain constraints: the OBJ has to be [+human] or, at least, [+anim],[+definite] etc.
References: A. Ledgeway, From Latin to Romance, OUP 2012. Iemmolo, Giorgio (2009), La marcatura differenziale dell’oggetto in siciliano antico.  Arch. Glottol. Ital. 94: 185-  225; Iemmolo, Giorgio and Gerson Klumpp (in preparation). Differential Object Marking: theoretical and empirical issues. Special issue of Linguistics.

All best
Paolo

From: Sergey Lyosov 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:20 PM
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Subject: Re: accusative + analytical DO markers



Dear Ewa,

thanks a lot!

Your Polish example is as follows:



-         zaatakować ‘attack, assault’ + NPACC

-         napaść ‘attack, assault’ + preposition na with a NPACC (a grammaticalized allative construction).

The cognate Russian verbs have the same government:

atakovat' ‘attack, assault’ + NPACC

napast' ‘attack, assault’ + preposition na with a NPACC



Our colleague Scott T. Shell suggests me (within this thread) a similar example from

German:



Den            Mann    habe    ich                gesehen.

DEF.ACC  man      AUX   1SG.NOM   saw

'I say the man.'



Ich                 gehe   durch     den               Gang

1SG.NOM    go       through  DEF.ACC    hallway

'I go through the hallway.'

 Yet neither Polish/Russian na nor German durch are Direct Object Markers pure and simple, they both retain their meanings as lative/locative prepositions. What I am looking for is a “pure” and (under certain conditions) obligatory Direct Object Marker (like `et in Hebrew) which synchronically has no other (more concrete) meanings. I wonder if this kind of DOM is at all compatible with ACC (which would amount to double marking of the Direct Object).

I will address your Coptic example in the next email.

  All best,

  Sergey



Суббота, 25 мая 2013, 16:37 UTC от "Zakrzewska, E.D." <E.D.Zakrzewska at uva.nl>:

  Dear Sergey,

    

  A good example is Polish, compare:  

  -         zaatakować ‘attack, assault’ + NPACC 

  -         napaść ‘attack, assault’ + preposition na with a NPACC (a grammaticalized allative construction).



  Another example may be Coptic (Afroasiatic, the final stage of Ancient Egyptian). In Coptic there are two strategies to mark the direct object: head-marking and dependent-marking. Head-marking involves the use of the so-called construct or pronominal state allomorph of the verb to which a nominal, respectively pronominal direct object is attached. When the verb appears in the absolute state allomorph, dependent-marking of the object by means of a preposition is required. Several prepositions can occur in this function, of which n- (dedicated preposition) and e- (grammaticalization of the allative) are most important.   

  Basic information about Coptic grammar can be found in Reintges C.H., Coptic Egyptian (Sahidic dialect): a learner's grammar, Köln: Köppe, 2004. I’m currently working on a comprehensive article on transitivity in Coptic, to be published in the Proceedings of the 10th International Congress of Coptic Studies in Rome and I can send you a copy soon.  



  Best regards,

  Ewa Zakrzewska








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  Onderwerp: accusative + analytical DO markers


  Dear colleagues, 
  Do we know of languages that have both the accusative case and analytical direct object markers (pre- or postpositions)?

  Lots of thanks, 
  Sergey

  Dr. Sergey Loesov
  Oriental Institute
  Russian State University for the Humanities
  6 Miusskaya pl. Moscow 125267, Russia.




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