[Lingtyp] Numeral 'one' and 'as soon as'

[Michael Daniel]

Dear all,

only in this exchange I realized that the Russian *раз* 'time' (in the
sense of the French 'fois'), is used in a syntactically similar
construction but functionally different construction as introducing cause
complement clauses:

*Раз ты пришел так рано, я пойду*.
As you came so early, I'll be leaving. (Lit. 'Time you.sg come.Pst so
early, I leave.Prs)

Note that no numeral is used in these constructions, unlike what the
original query was looking for.

But is the French "Une fois que" not somewhat similar to Russian in this
respect, in that it is not (only) used in the sense "as soon as" but also
to introduce subordinate clauses of cause? (And maybe English, too, once
we're on this). In fact, it would be good to check whether the Russian
construction is not a 19th century pattern copy from French.

Michael

чт, 1 апр. 2021 г. в 08:33, Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <
olguinmartinez at ucsb.edu>:

> Dear all,
>
> Sorry for not having been clearer in my previous email.
>
> Yes, English 'once' is used in this way :)
>
> I did not mention English and other European languages  because in
> Mandarin and the other Hmong-Mien languages I mentioned before, the second
> clause appears with another linker (lit. *on(c)e*........'(*and*) *then*').
> Accordingly, these languages show some sort of correlative construction.
> Based on the languages of the sample, this usage of 'on(c)e' in a
> correlative construction is not common cross-linguistically. It seems that
> Hmong-Mien languages have copied this strategy with native material from
> Mandarin. This is some sort of 'pattern replication'. I was expecting to
> receive more answers concerned with languages spoken in this area in
> order to see if these languages have also copied this pattern from Mandarin.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Best,
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 8:37 PM Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <
> olguinmartinez at ucsb.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I hope this message finds you well.
>>
>> As I was consulting various sources, it seems that the numeral 'one' in
>> the expression of 'as soon as' is not common cross-linguistically.
>>
>> In my sample, this is attested in Standard Mandarin (i.e. *yī), *Xong
>> (Hmong-Mien), and Iu Mien (Hmong-Mien). Are you aware of any other
>> languages that express 'as soon as' in a similar way?
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> --
>> Jesús Olguín Martínez
>> Ph.D. Candidate, Dept. of Linguistics
>> *University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB)*
>> http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jesús-olguín-martínez
>>
>
>
> --
> Jesús Olguín Martínez
> Ph.D. Candidate, Dept. of Linguistics
> *University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB)*
> http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jesús-olguín-martínez
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