[Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?

Fri Mar 11 17:56:20 UTC 2022

Dear All,I know of two languages spoken in Iran which use idiophones for 'coughing':First, in Turkish spoken in west of Iran, the sound of coughing is /kört o kört/, while the verb for coughing is 'osgor-māx'. The sound is a reduplicated word which its parts do not occur by their own.Second, In Māzandarāni, an Iranian language spoken in north of Iran, the sound for coughing is 'pāxxe pāxxe' and the verb for coughing is 'keleš bakerden', 'cough do' (to do coughing). Again the sound is a reduplicated word whose parts do not occur alone.
Best,Mohammad

Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand Linguistics Department,Bu-Ali Sina University, Hamedan, Iran.Postal Code: 6517838695  https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand

    On Friday, March 11, 2022, 06:19:16 AM PST, Jess Tauber <tetrahedralpt at gmail.com> wrote:  

 Here are the results of the search for terms for 'cough' in Kashaya Pomo, a Hokan language from California in the US- no ideophones, however- they MAY be present in the text but not caught by the search engine: https://www.webonary.org/kashaya?s=cough&search=Search&key=&tax=-1&search_options_set=1&match_whole_words=1&displayAdvancedSearchName=0
Jess Tauber

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On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:08 AM JOO, Ian [Student] <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:

The prosaic (non-ideophonic) words for ‘cough’ indeed have iconic association to /k/ and /o/. In Johansson et al. (2020), they find that /k/ and /o/ occur frequently in hundreds of words for ‘cough’ in genealogically unrelated languages:

COUGH, LUNG, SNORE and THROAT were also associated with [+round] and[back], but instead of /u/, the most commonly occurring cardinal sound was /o/in all cases. In addition, COUGH was also associated with [–voice] which wasrepresented by the cardinal sound /k/. This seems to suggest that the commonphonetic denominator in the macro-concept PHARYNGEAL involves the back oforal cavity and possibly also a somewhat more open mouth than the vowels ofAIRFLOW.

Johansson, N. E., Anikin, A., Carling, G., & Holmer, A. (2020). The typology of sound symbolism: Defining macro-concepts via their semantic and phonetic features. Linguistic Typology, 24(2), 253-310.
Regards,IanOn 11 Mar 2022, 2:59 PM +0100, Giurgea Ion <giurgeaion at yahoo.com>, wrote:

Dear all,The Indo-European reconstructed root has a similar ideophonic basis - here is the entry in H. Rix (ed.,2001) Lexikon der indogermanischen Verben:<1647007130881blob.jpg>

On Friday, March 11, 2022, 03:52:52 PM GMT+2, JOO, Ian [Student] <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:

Dear Rafaelle,

here are the translations of Korean 콜록콜록 khollok-khollok that I have retrieved from the Naver Dictionaries (dict.naver.com).

Japanese ごほんごほん, こんこん. gohon-gohon, kon-kon
Mandarin 喀喀 ，吭吭 ，咳咳 kākā, kēngkēng, kéké
Vietnamese  sù sụ, khù khụ
Mongolian пөг пөг pög-pög
Indonesian  krok krok
Thai โขลก ๆ, ค๊อก ๆ, แค๊ก ๆ khlôok khlôok, khóok khóok, khéek khéek

Hope this helps.

Also, if you are interested in ideophones and iconicity, please join our Facebook group on Iconicity:
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>From Uppsala,IanOn 11 Mar 2022, 2:22 PM +0100, Csilla Kász, M.A. <ckasz at isfas.uni-kiel.de>, wrote:

Hello,

The Hungarian counterpart of a fake cough is quite similar to the Finnish, but is usually said twice:

Köhöm-köhöm

the pronunciation is [køhøm]

Best,

Csilla
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Am 2022-03-11 14:06, schrieb Jussi Ylikoski:

Dear all, [mˈm̥m], this discussion sounds interesting! For pronunciation and translations forahem, see https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem with the interlanguage links. I just addedkröhöm into the Finnish entry at https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem. Best, Jussi 
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Efni: Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough? 
Dear all,

Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention.  (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)

Do other languages have similar forms?  

David

On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:

Dear all,

working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.

Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.

Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?

Thanks,

Raffaele

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Efni: Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough? 
Dear all,

Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention.  (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)

Do other languages have similar forms?  

David

On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:

Dear all,

working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.

Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.

Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?

Thanks,

Raffaele

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