[Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
Raffaele Simone
rsimone at os.uniroma3.it
Sat Mar 12 10:09:41 UTC 2022
Thank you all! It seems to me that a lot of interesting information has
come to light. Like several of us, I am convinced that a theory of
language must take into account ideophones and all phenomena at the
margins of grammar and lexicon.
Raffaele
Il 12/03/2022 11:01, Hongmei Fang ha scritto:
> In Mandarin Chinese, there are /en h/è/ng/ 嗯哼，/ké ké /咳咳,/a
> //hèng/啊哼.
>
> Hongmei Fang
>
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> *From:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf
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> *Subject:* Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
> In Chinese the unmarked form for ‘cough’ is ké-sòu (咳嗽), both parts
> of which are seen as onomatopoetic.
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>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 10:07 PM, JOO, Ian [Student]
>> <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:
>>
>> The prosaic (non-ideophonic) words for ‘cough’ indeed have iconic
>> association to /k/ and /o/. In Johansson et al. (2020), they find
>> that /k/ and /o/ occur frequently in hundreds of words for ‘cough’ in
>> genealogically unrelated languages:
>>
>> COUGH, LUNG, SNORE and THROAT were also associated with [+round] and
>> [back], but instead of /u/, the most commonly occurring cardinal
>> sound was /o/
>> in all cases. In addition, COUGH was also associated with
>> [–voice] which was
>> represented by the cardinal sound /k/. This seems to suggest that
>> the common
>> phonetic denominator in the macro-concept PHARYNGEAL involves the
>> back of
>> oral cavity and possibly also a somewhat more open mouth than the
>> vowels of
>> AIRFLOW.
>>
>> Johansson, N. E., Anikin, A., Carling, G., & Holmer, A. (2020). The
>> typology of sound symbolism: Defining macro-concepts via their
>> semantic and phonetic features. Linguistic Typology, 24(2), 253-310.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ian
>> On 11 Mar 2022, 2:59 PM +0100, Giurgea Ion <giurgeaion at yahoo.com>, wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> The Indo-European reconstructed root has a similar ideophonic basis
>>> - here is the entry in H. Rix (ed.,2001) Lexikon der
>>> indogermanischen Verben:
>>> <1647007130881blob.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022, 03:52:52 PM GMT+2, JOO, Ian [Student]
>>> <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Rafaelle,
>>>
>>> here are the translations of Korean 콜록콜록 khollok-khollok that I have
>>> retrieved from the Naver Dictionaries (dict.naver.com
>>> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdict.naver.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Ch.m.fang%40uva.nl%7Cb5b848845d3e4e9a2a8908da03d38c33%7Ca0f1cacd618c4403b94576fb3d6874e5%7C0%7C0%7C637826505123425546%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=GcvBdnAeDoDn7S2XRFrqcPQUpr5N0gAOyRDG0RePqgo%3D&reserved=0>).
>>>
>>> Japanese ごほんごほん, こんこん. gohon-gohon, kon-kon
>>> Mandarin 喀喀 ，吭吭 ，咳咳 kākā, kēngkēng, kéké
>>> Vietnamese sù sụ, khù khụ
>>> Mongolian пөг пөг pög-pög
>>> Indonesian krok krok
>>> Thai โขลก ๆ, ค๊อก ๆ, แค๊ก ๆ khlôok khlôok, khóok khóok, khéek khéek
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Also, if you are interested in ideophones and iconicity, please join
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>>> From Uppsala,
>>> Ian
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, 2:22 PM +0100, Csilla Kász, M.A.
>>> <ckasz at isfas.uni-kiel.de>, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> The Hungarian counterpart of a fake cough is quite similar to the
>>>> Finnish, but is usually said twice:
>>>>
>>>> /Köhöm-köhöm/
>>>>
>>>> the pronunciation is [køhøm]
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Csilla
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Am 2022-03-11 14:06, schrieb Jussi Ylikoski:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> [mˈm̥m], this discussion sounds interesting! For pronunciation and
>>>>> translations for/ahem/, seehttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem
>>>>> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fahem&data=04%7C01%7Ch.m.fang%40uva.nl%7Cb5b848845d3e4e9a2a8908da03d38c33%7Ca0f1cacd618c4403b94576fb3d6874e5%7C0%7C0%7C637826505123425546%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=7%2FQMKOFfjo2Ksbg2fD%2FI%2FdFDCHSAFS331t7Sw%2BSm4Ic%3D&reserved=0>with
>>>>> the interlanguage links. I just added/kröhöm/
>>>>> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fkr%25C3%25B6h%25C3%25B6m&data=04%7C01%7Ch.m.fang%40uva.nl%7Cb5b848845d3e4e9a2a8908da03d38c33%7Ca0f1cacd618c4403b94576fb3d6874e5%7C0%7C0%7C637826505123581668%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=a58J4graJ5RmFUsf6Ba%2F6ZKQvRLWcJMR4SrWptgPjk4%3D&reserved=0>into
>>>>> the Finnish entry athttps://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem
>>>>> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffi.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fahem&data=04%7C01%7Ch.m.fang%40uva.nl%7Cb5b848845d3e4e9a2a8908da03d38c33%7Ca0f1cacd618c4403b94576fb3d6874e5%7C0%7C0%7C637826505123581668%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=fZmcEtcOSUTp%2FQHGammGphsvBbdojImBizFVZcVrjas%3D&reserved=0>.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *Frá:*Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> fyrir
>>>>> hönd David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
>>>>> *Sent:*föstudagur, 11. mars 2022 14:47
>>>>> *Til:*lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>>>>> *Efni:*Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and
>>>>> "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to
>>>>> express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem
>>>>> to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular
>>>>> verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems
>>>>> to exist only in written form.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do other languages have similar forms?
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and
>>>>>> lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem
>>>>>> to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an
>>>>>> accepted written version of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even
>>>>>> more a way of indicating it in writing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raffaele
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Membre de l'Académie Royale de Belgique
>>>>>> Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres de France
>>>>>> Accademico della Crusca
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>>>>> *Frá:*Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> fyrir
>>>>> hönd David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
>>>>> *Sent:*föstudagur, 11. mars 2022 14:47
>>>>> *Til:*lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>>>>> *Efni:*Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and
>>>>> "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to
>>>>> express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem
>>>>> to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular
>>>>> verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems
>>>>> to exist only in written form.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do other languages have similar forms?
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and
>>>>>> lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem
>>>>>> to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an
>>>>>> accepted written version of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even
>>>>>> more a way of indicating it in writing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raffaele
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ===============
>>>>>> Emeritus Professor, Università Roma Tre
>>>>>> Hon C Lund University
>>>>>> Membre de l'Académie Royale de Belgique
>>>>>> Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres de France
>>>>>> Accademico della Crusca
>>>>>> ===============
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