[Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?

Sat Mar 12 11:17:10 UTC 2022

In Portuguese, "cof, cof". It looks similar to the English word, but in
Portuguese "cough" is "tosse".
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Em sáb., 12 de mar. de 2022 às 07:10, Raffaele Simone <
rsimone at os.uniroma3.it> escreveu:

> Thank you all! It seems to me that a lot of interesting information has
> come to light. Like several of us, I am convinced that a theory of language
> must take into account ideophones and all phenomena at the margins of
> grammar and lexicon.
>
> Raffaele
>
>
> Il 12/03/2022 11:01, Hongmei Fang ha scritto:
>
> In Mandarin Chinese, there  are *en hèng* 嗯哼，*ké ké *咳咳, *a **hèng* 啊哼.
>
> Hongmei Fang
>
>
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> *From:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Randy J. LaPolla
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> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 March 2022 03:52
> *To:* LINGTYP <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
>
> In Chinese the unmarked form for ‘cough’ is ké-sòu (咳嗽), both parts of
> which are seen as onomatopoetic.
>
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> On 11 Mar 2022, at 10:07 PM, JOO, Ian [Student] <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk>
> wrote:
>
> The prosaic (non-ideophonic) words for ‘cough’ indeed have iconic
> association to /k/ and /o/. In Johansson et al. (2020), they find that /k/
> and /o/ occur frequently in hundreds of words for ‘cough’ in genealogically
> unrelated languages:
>
> COUGH, LUNG, SNORE and THROAT were also associated with [+round] and
> [back], but instead of /u/, the most commonly occurring cardinal sound was
> /o/
> in all cases. In addition, COUGH was also associated with [–voice] which
> was
> represented by the cardinal sound /k/. This seems to suggest that the
> common
> phonetic denominator in the macro-concept PHARYNGEAL involves the back of
> oral cavity and possibly also a somewhat more open mouth than the vowels of
> AIRFLOW.
>
> Johansson, N. E., Anikin, A., Carling, G., & Holmer, A. (2020). The
> typology of sound symbolism: Defining macro-concepts via their semantic and
> phonetic features. Linguistic Typology, 24(2), 253-310.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
> On 11 Mar 2022, 2:59 PM +0100, Giurgea Ion <giurgeaion at yahoo.com>, wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> The Indo-European reconstructed root has a similar ideophonic basis - here
> is the entry in H. Rix (ed.,2001) Lexikon der indogermanischen Verben:
> <1647007130881blob.jpg>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 11, 2022, 03:52:52 PM GMT+2, JOO, Ian [Student] <
> ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Rafaelle,
>
> here are the translations of Korean 콜록콜록 khollok-khollok that I have
> retrieved from the Naver Dictionaries (dict.naver.com
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> ).
>
> Japanese ごほんごほん, こんこん. gohon-gohon, kon-kon
> Mandarin 喀喀 ，吭吭 ，咳咳 kākā, kēngkēng, kéké
> Vietnamese  sù sụ, khù khụ
> Mongolian пөг пөг pög-pög
> Indonesian  krok krok
> Thai โขลก ๆ, ค๊อก ๆ, แค๊ก ๆ khlôok khlôok, khóok khóok, khéek khéek
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Also, if you are interested in ideophones and iconicity, please join our
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> From Uppsala,
> Ian
> On 11 Mar 2022, 2:22 PM +0100, Csilla Kász, M.A. <ckasz at isfas.uni-kiel.de>,
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> The Hungarian counterpart of a fake cough is quite similar to the Finnish,
> but is usually said twice:
>
> *Köhöm-köhöm*
>
> the pronunciation is [køhøm]
>
> Best,
>
> Csilla
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> Am 2022-03-11 14:06, schrieb Jussi Ylikoski:
>
> Dear all,
>
> [mˈm̥m], this discussion sounds interesting! For pronunciation and
> translations for *ahem*, see https://en.wikt ionary.org/wiki/ahem
> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fahem&data=04%7C01%7Ch.m.fang%40uva.nl%7Cb5b848845d3e4e9a2a8908da03d38c33%7Ca0f1cacd618c4403b94576fb3d6874e5%7C0%7C0%7C637826505123425546%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=7%2FQMKOFfjo2Ksbg2fD%2FI%2FdFDCHSAFS331t7Sw%2BSm4Ic%3D&reserved=0>
>  with the interlanguage links. I just added *kröhöm*
> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fkr%25C3%25B6h%25C3%25B6m&data=04%7C01%7Ch.m.fang%40uva.nl%7Cb5b848845d3e4e9a2a8908da03d38c33%7Ca0f1cacd618c4403b94576fb3d6874e5%7C0%7C0%7C637826505123581668%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=a58J4graJ5RmFUsf6Ba%2F6ZKQvRLWcJMR4SrWptgPjk4%3D&reserved=0>&nb
> sp;into the Finnish entry at https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem
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> .
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> Best,
>
> Jussi
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>
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> *Frá:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> fyrir hönd
> David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
> *Sent:* föstudagur, 11. mars 2022 14:47
> *Til:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> *Efni:* Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem"
> to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express
> disapproval and/or draw attention.  (The two actually seem to differ in
> their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular verb, I don't think
> I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)
>
> Do other languages have similar forms?
>
> David
>
>
> On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I
> happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.
>
> Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a
> standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written
> version of it.
>
> Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way
> of indicating it in writing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raffaele
>
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> *Frá:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> fyrir hönd
> David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
> *Sent:* föstudagur, 11. mars 2022 14:47
> *Til:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> *Efni:* Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem"
> to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express
> disapproval and/or draw attention.  (The two actually seem to differ in
> their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular verb, I don't think
> I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)
>
> Do other languages have similar forms?
>
> David
>
>
> On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I
> happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.
>
> Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a
> standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written
> version of it.
>
> Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way
> of indicating it in writing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raffaele
>
>
> --
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> Hon C Lund University
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