[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Ryan Ka Yau Lai
kayaulai at ucsb.edu
Mon Sep 4 12:25:18 UTC 2023
Dear Prof Lehmann,
In a Columbia School (Diverian) framework, Andrew McCormick (cc'd) suggests
that *how* is not a 'complementiser' in the traditional sense and does not
form a paradigmatic contrast with *that* but with the *wh*-words, which
collectively signal Elaboration; *how* is the residual member of the
category that does not signal Elaboration on person, reason, time, place
etc.
Diver's Deixis-based analysis of *that*, by contrast, suggests that
*that* instructs
the listener to focus a bit of attention on something, in this case the
following clause, without a sense of Elaboration.
Sincerely,
Ryan
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> 1. semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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> 3. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Christian Lehmann)
> 4. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Juergen Bohnemeyer)
> 5. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Christian Lehmann)
> 6. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Juergen Bohnemeyer)
> 7. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Christian Lehmann)
> 8. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Riccardo Giomi)
> 9. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Christian Lehmann)
> 10. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> (Zygmunt Frajzyngier)
> 11. nouvelles de Bruma?n et Sigurst (MM Jocelyne Fernandez)
> 12. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs (Anna Sj?berg)
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> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
>
> --
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> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
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> Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the
> Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished
> as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
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> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
> +49/361/2113417
> E-Post:
> christianw_lehmann at arcor.de<mailto:christianw_lehmann at arcor.de>
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> To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
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> where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?
>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> >
> > Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on
> > the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply
> > distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best
> > ? Juergen
> >
> > Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> > Professor, Department of Linguistics
> > University at Buffalo
> >
> > Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> > Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> > Phone: (716) 645 0127
> > Fax: (716) 645 3825
> > Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> > Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> > <http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/>
> >
> > Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID
> > 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
> >
> > There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> > (Leonard Cohen)
> >
> > --
> >
> > *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf
> > of Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> > *To: *lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> >
> > Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> > 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> > passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> >
> > Tel.:
> >
> >
> >
> > +49/361/2113417
> >
> > E-Post:
> >
> >
> >
> > christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
> >
> > Web:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.christianlehmann.eu
> >
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
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> From: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> To: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>,
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> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?.
> ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere,
> though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:
>
>
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
> --
>
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
> +49/361/2113417
> E-Post:
> christianw_lehmann at arcor.de<mailto:christianw_lehmann at arcor.de>
> Web:
> https://www.christianlehmann.eu<https://www.christianlehmann.eu/>
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> From: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
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> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that
> every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an
> inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that
> subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on
> event perception.
>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> >
> > Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional
> > inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly
> > been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure
> > where. See for example here:
> >
> >
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> > <
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> >
> >
> > Best ? Juergen
> >
> > Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> > Professor, Department of Linguistics
> > University at Buffalo
> >
> > Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> > Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> > Phone: (716) 645 0127
> > Fax: (716) 645 3825
> > Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> > Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> > <http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/>
> >
> > Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID
> > 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
> >
> > There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> > (Leonard Cohen)
> >
> > --
> >
> > *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf
> > of Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> > *To: *lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> >
> > Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> > 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> > passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> >
> > Tel.:
> >
> >
> >
> > +49/361/2113417
> >
> > E-Post:
> >
> >
> >
> > christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
> >
> > Web:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.christianlehmann.eu
> >
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
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> I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of markedness:
>
> Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite and
> nonfinite complements.
>
> Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community frequently
> communicate about both event perception and propositional inference.
>
> In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an
> attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements
> become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
>
> Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional
> inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event
> perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold
> contemporaneously with the perception event.
>
> One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference
> contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event
> perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
> --
>
>
> From: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
> To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that
> every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an inference.
> It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that subordination
> by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on event perception.
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?.
> ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere,
> though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:
>
>
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
> --
>
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org><mailto:
> lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Christian Lehmann
> <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de><mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> ><mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
> +49/361/2113417
> E-Post:
> christianw_lehmann at arcor.de<mailto:christianw_lehmann at arcor.de>
> Web:
> https://www.christianlehmann.eu<https://www.christianlehmann.eu/>
>
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
> +49/361/2113417
> E-Post:
> christianw_lehmann at arcor.de<mailto:christianw_lehmann at arcor.de>
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> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:13:44 -0600
> From: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
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> Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the
> formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness
> opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.
>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> >
> > I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of
> > markedness:
> >
> > Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite
> > and nonfinite complements.
> >
> > Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community
> > frequently communicate about both event perception and propositional
> > inference.
> >
> > In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an
> > attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements
> > become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
> >
> > Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional
> > inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event
> > perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold
> > contemporaneously with the perception event.
> >
> > One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference
> > contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event
> > perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
> >
> > Best ? Juergen
> >
> > Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> > Professor, Department of Linguistics
> > University at Buffalo
> >
> > Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> > Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> > Phone: (716) 645 0127
> > Fax: (716) 645 3825
> > Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> > Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> > <http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/>
> >
> > Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID
> > 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
> >
> > There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> > (Leonard Cohen)
> >
> > --
> >
> > *From: *Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
> > *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> > lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> >
> > Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
> > alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though,
> > that every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an
> > inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such
> > that subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant
> > insisting on event perception.
> >
> > Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> >
> > Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional
> > inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly
> > been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure
> > where. See for example here:
> >
> >
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> > <
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> >
> >
> > Best ? Juergen
> >
> > Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> > Professor, Department of Linguistics
> > University at Buffalo
> >
> > Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> > Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> > Phone: (716) 645 0127
> > Fax: (716) 645 3825
> > Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> > Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> > <http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/>
> >
> > Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting
> > ID 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
> >
> > There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> > (Leonard Cohen)
> >
> > --
> >
> > *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > <mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> > Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > <mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> > *To: *lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > <mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> >
> > Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast
> > between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how
> > the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> >
> > Tel.:
> >
> >
> >
> > +49/361/2113417
> >
> > E-Post:
> >
> >
> >
> > christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
> >
> > Web:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.christianlehmann.eu
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> >
> > Tel.:
> >
> >
> >
> > +49/361/2113417
> >
> > E-Post:
> >
> >
> >
> > christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
> >
> > Web:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.christianlehmann.eu
> >
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
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> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 19:26:17 +0200
> From: Riccardo Giomi <rgiomi at campus.ul.pt>
> To: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Cc: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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> Hi all,
>
> I would find "event clause" vs "manner clause" (hence, "event perception"
> *vs
> "*manner perception") equally acceptable. She saw the event taking place
> *vs
> *she saw in which way the event took place.
>
> Best,
> Riccardo
>
> Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de> escreveu no dia
> domingo, 27/08/2023 ?(s) 19:14:
>
> > Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the
> > formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness
> > opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.
> > Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> >
> > I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of
> markedness:
> >
> >
> >
> > Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite and
> > nonfinite complements.
> >
> >
> >
> > Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community frequently
> > communicate about both event perception and propositional inference.
> >
> >
> >
> > In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an
> > attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements
> > become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional
> > inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event
> > perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold
> > contemporaneously with the perception event.
> >
> >
> >
> > One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference
> > contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event
> > perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best ? Juergen
> >
> >
> >
> > Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> > Professor, Department of Linguistics
> > University at Buffalo
> >
> > Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> > Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> > Phone: (716) 645 0127
> > Fax: (716) 645 3825
> > Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu
> > Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> >
> > Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> > 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
> >
> > There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> > (Leonard Cohen)
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
> > *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu> <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> > lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> >
> > Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
> > alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that
> > every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an
> inference.
> > It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that
> subordination
> > by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on event
> perception.
> >
> > Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> >
> > Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?.
> > ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used
> elsewhere,
> > though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> >
> >
> >
> > Best ? Juergen
> >
> >
> >
> > Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> > Professor, Department of Linguistics
> > University at Buffalo
> >
> > Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> > Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> > Phone: (716) 645 0127
> > Fax: (716) 645 3825
> > Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu
> > Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> >
> > Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> > 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
> >
> > There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> > (Leonard Cohen)
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Christian
> > Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> > *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> > *To: *lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
> >
> > Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> > 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> > passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> >
> > Tel.:
> >
> > +49/361/2113417
> >
> > E-Post:
> >
> > christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
> >
> > Web:
> >
> > https://www.christianlehmann.eu
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> >
> > Tel.:
> >
> > +49/361/2113417
> >
> > E-Post:
> >
> > christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
> >
> > Web:
> >
> > https://www.christianlehmann.eu
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> > Rudolfstr. 4
> > 99092 Erfurt
> > Deutschland
> > Tel.: +49/361/2113417
> > E-Post: christianw_lehmann at arcor.de
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> From: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> To: rgiomi at campus.ul.pt
> Cc: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
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> Following up on J?rgen's suggestion, I can now report that formal
> semanticists call it event perception (dependent clause introduced by
> /how/) vs. fact perception (introduced by /that/).
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> From: Zygmunt Frajzyngier <zygmunt.frajzyngier at colorado.edu>
> To: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>, Juergen
> Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>, "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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> Christian,
> This is what we proposed and argued for in our 1991 paper:
> Frajzyngier, Zygmunt, and Robert Jasperson. 1991f. That clauses and other
> complements. Lingua 83.133-153.
> All best,
> Zygmunt
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM
> To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the
> Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished
> as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
> --
>
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org><mailto:
> lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Christian Lehmann
> <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de><mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> ><mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
> +49/361/2113417
> E-Post:
> christianw_lehmann at arcor.de<mailto:christianw_lehmann at arcor.de>
> Web:
> https://www.christianlehmann.eu<https://www.christianlehmann.eu/>
>
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
> +49/361/2113417
> E-Post:
> christianw_lehmann at arcor.de<mailto:christianw_lehmann at arcor.de>
> Web:
> https://www.christianlehmann.eu<https://www.christianlehmann.eu/>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 03:17:12 +0200
> From: MM Jocelyne Fernandez <mmjocelynefern at gmail.com>
> To: clinique v?t?rinaire <cliniquechat at hotmail.fr>,
> "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: [Lingtyp] nouvelles de Bruma?n et Sigurst
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> Bonjour Docteur Lemoing,
>
> Suite ? vos recommandations, Bruma?n a continu? de prendre son
> m?dicament ? la? penicilline et surmont? la crise? infectieuse. Elle est
> assez? faible et reste ?tendue sur mon lit la plupart du temps, mais
> elle sort aussi un peu sur la terrasse. Apr?s son 17e anniversaire, que
> nous avons f?t? avec mon fils et sa compagne venus de Londres,les go?ts
> alimentaires de Bruma?n ont ?volu?: elle refuse le yaourt du soir mais
> r?clame du lait de brebis au petit-d?jeuner; elle ne buvait plus de lait
> depuis au moins 15 ans, et ce n'est pas tr?s bon pour son intestin, mais
> je lui laisse l?cher le fond de mon bol. Je vous la ram?nerai pour des
> examens d?s notre retour ? Paris d?but septembre.
>
> ??? Sigurst, elle, va plut?t bien, apr?s avoir travers? une nouvelle
> crise de plaies multiples, soign?e ? la cortisone. C'est une redoutable
> chasseresse,: elle poursuit les araign?es sous les meubles, et m'apporte
> tous les soirs de grosses sauterelles, que j'essaie de sauver avant
> qu'elle leur ait cass? les pattes.
>
> ??? Ci-joint quelques photos de ces deux demoiselles en situation.
> Bonne fin de vacances et ? bient?t!
>
> ??? MMJocelyne Fernandez
>
> --
> Prof. Marie-Madeleine Jocelyne FERNANDEZ-VEST CNRS & Universit? Sorbonne
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> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 06:48:36 +0000
> From: Anna Sj?berg <anna.sjoberg at ling.su.se>
> To: Zygmunt Frajzyngier <zygmunt.frajzyngier at colorado.edu>, Christian
> Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>, Juergen Bohnemeyer
> <jb77 at buffalo.edu>, "lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org"
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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> Horie (2001) contains a section on the semantics of different
> complementation strategies, including terminology. Direct vs. indirect
> perception or event vs. proposition perception (also second-order vs.
> third-order entities (Lyons 1989)) are mentioned, also percept. vs concept
> (Bolinger 1971) and immediate perception constructions vs. mental
> perception constructions (Dik & Hengeveld 1991).
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna Sj?berg
>
>
> Bolinger, Dwight. 1974. "Concept and percept: two infinitive constructions
> and their vicissitudes". In: World papers in phonetics: festschrift for Dr.
> Onishi's kizyu. Tokyo: The Phonetic Society of Japan, 65? 91.
>
>
> Dik, Simon C. & Hengeveld, Kees. 1991. "The hierarchical structure of the
> clause and the typology of perception-verb complements". Linguistics 29:
> 231-259.
>
>
> Horie, Kaoru. 2001. Complement clauses. In: Haspelmath, Martin, Ekkehard
> K?nig, Wulf Oesterreicher, and Wolfgang Raible (eds.), Language Typology
> and Language Universals : An International Handbook vol 2, 979-993.
> Berlin/New York: Walter de Gruyter
>
>
> Lyons, John. 1989. "Semantic ascent: a neglected aspect of syntactic
> typology". In: Arnold, Doug & Atkinson, Martin & Durand, Jacques & Grover,
> Claire & Sadler, Louisa, (eds.). Essays on grammatical theory and universal
> grammar. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 153 ? 186.
>
> ________________________________
> Fr?n: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> f?r Zygmunt
> Frajzyngier <zygmunt.frajzyngier at colorado.edu>
> Skickat: den 27 augusti 2023 22:56:20
> Till: Christian Lehmann; Juergen Bohnemeyer;
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> ?mne: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Christian,
> This is what we proposed and argued for in our 1991 paper:
> Frajzyngier, Zygmunt, and Robert Jasperson. 1991f. That clauses and other
> complements. Lingua 83.133-153.
> All best,
> Zygmunt
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM
> To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>,
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
> Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the
> Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished
> as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
> --
>
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org><mailto:
> lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Christian Lehmann
> <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de><mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> ><mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
> Tel.:
>
> +49/361/2113417
>
> E-Post:
>
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