[Lingtyp] [EXTERNAL]Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Andrew McCormick
amccormick at gradcenter.cuny.edu
Mon Sep 4 16:11:05 UTC 2023
Thanks, Ryan! Below is a link to my dissertation.
Best,
Andrew
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/gc_etds/5437/
"How" as a Signal of an Invariant Meaning<https://academicworks.cuny.edu/gc_etds/5437/>
This dissertation aims to explain why speakers and writers use how in the communicative contexts in which they do, and its central claim is that how is a signal of one invariant meaning. The form’s diverse communicative contributions can be explained by hypothesizing a single meaning that contributes to different message effects, or contextual interpretations, on different occasions of its use. The present analysis rests on the crucial distinction in Columbia School (CS) linguistics, the theoretical framework guiding this project, between meaning and message. A meaning is a signal’s invariant semantic contribution, while messages are the context-unique interpretations that stem from, but are underdetermined by, linguistic utterances (Diver, 1975/2012; Huffman, 2001; Stern, 2019, among many others). How contributes to overlapping messages including — though not limited to — degree, characterization/assessment, personal perspective, and manner, but its invariant semantic contribution is a great deal mor
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Dear Prof Lehmann,
In a Columbia School (Diverian) framework, Andrew McCormick (cc'd) suggests that how is not a 'complementiser' in the traditional sense and does not form a paradigmatic contrast with that but with the wh-words, which collectively signal Elaboration; how is the residual member of the category that does not signal Elaboration on person, reason, time, place etc.
Diver's Deixis-based analysis of that, by contrast, suggests that that instructs the listener to focus a bit of attention on something, in this case the following clause, without a sense of Elaboration.
Sincerely,
Ryan
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1. semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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4. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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5. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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6. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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7. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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8. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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9. Re: semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
Thanks in advance,
Christian
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Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
Thanks in advance,
Christian
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where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on
> the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply
> distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best
> ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu> <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>
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> <http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/>
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID
> 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
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> *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> on behalf
> of Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
> *To: *lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
>
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
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> 99092 Erfurt
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>
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>
>
> +49/361/2113417
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Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:
https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Best ? Juergen
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
Thanks in advance,
Christian
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Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that
every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an
inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that
subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on
event perception.
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional
> inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly
> been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure
> where. See for example here:
>
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> <https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y>
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu> <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
> <http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/>
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID
> 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
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> *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> on behalf
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> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
>
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
>
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>
>
> +49/361/2113417
>
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I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of markedness:
Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite and nonfinite complements.
Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community frequently communicate about both event perception and propositional inference.
In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold contemporaneously with the perception event.
One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
Best ? Juergen
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Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on event perception.
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:
https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Best ? Juergen
Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
Professor, Department of Linguistics
University at Buffalo
Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
Phone: (716) 645 0127
Fax: (716) 645 3825
Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu><mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>
Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
Thanks in advance,
Christian
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From: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>,
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the
formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness
opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.
Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of
> markedness:
>
> Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite
> and nonfinite complements.
>
> Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community
> frequently communicate about both event perception and propositional
> inference.
>
> In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an
> attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements
> become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
>
> Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional
> inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event
> perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold
> contemporaneously with the perception event.
>
> One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference
> contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event
> perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
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> *From: *Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
> *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>,
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though,
> that every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an
> inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such
> that subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant
> insisting on event perception.
>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional
> inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly
> been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure
> where. See for example here:
>
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
> <https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y>
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu> <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>
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> *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> <mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> on behalf of
> Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> <mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
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> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
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> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast
> between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how
> the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
>
> --
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From: Riccardo Giomi <rgiomi at campus.ul.pt<mailto:rgiomi at campus.ul.pt>>
To: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
Cc: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>,
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Hi all,
I would find "event clause" vs "manner clause" (hence, "event perception" *vs
"*manner perception") equally acceptable. She saw the event taking place *vs
*she saw in which way the event took place.
Best,
Riccardo
Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>> escreveu no dia
domingo, 27/08/2023 ?(s) 19:14:
> Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the
> formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness
> opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.
> Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of markedness:
>
>
>
> Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite and
> nonfinite complements.
>
>
>
> Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community frequently
> communicate about both event perception and propositional inference.
>
>
>
> In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an
> attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements
> become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
>
>
>
> Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional
> inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event
> perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold
> contemporaneously with the perception event.
>
>
>
> One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference
> contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event
> perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
>
>
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
>
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
> *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>> <jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>,
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that
> every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an inference.
> It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that subordination
> by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on event perception.
>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?.
> ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere,
> though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:
>
>
>
>
> https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>
>
>
> Best ? Juergen
>
>
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
> Professor, Department of Linguistics
> University at Buffalo
>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
> Phone: (716) 645 0127
> Fax: (716) 645 3825
> Email: jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>
> Web: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jb77/
>
> Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting ID 585
> 520 2411; Passcode Hoorheh)
>
> There?s A Crack In Everything - That?s How The Light Gets In
> (Leonard Cohen)
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> on behalf of Christian
> Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
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> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Christian
>
> --
>
> Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann
> Rudolfstr. 4
> 99092 Erfurt
> Deutschland
>
> Tel.:
>
> +49/361/2113417
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> --
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:18:38 -0600
From: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
To: rgiomi at campus.ul.pt<mailto:rgiomi at campus.ul.pt>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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Following up on J?rgen's suggestion, I can now report that formal
semanticists call it event perception (dependent clause introduced by
/how/) vs. fact perception (introduced by /that/).
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:56:20 +0000
From: Zygmunt Frajzyngier <zygmunt.frajzyngier at colorado.edu<mailto:zygmunt.frajzyngier at colorado.edu>>
To: Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>, Juergen
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Christian,
This is what we proposed and argued for in our 1991 paper:
Frajzyngier, Zygmunt, and Robert Jasperson. 1991f. That clauses and other complements. Lingua 83.133-153.
All best,
Zygmunt
From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> on behalf of Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de<mailto:christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>>
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu<mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>>, lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
Thanks in advance,
Christian
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Bonjour Docteur Lemoing,
Suite ? vos recommandations, Bruma?n a continu? de prendre son
m?dicament ? la? penicilline et surmont? la crise? infectieuse. Elle est
assez? faible et reste ?tendue sur mon lit la plupart du temps, mais
elle sort aussi un peu sur la terrasse. Apr?s son 17e anniversaire, que
nous avons f?t? avec mon fils et sa compagne venus de Londres,les go?ts
alimentaires de Bruma?n ont ?volu?: elle refuse le yaourt du soir mais
r?clame du lait de brebis au petit-d?jeuner; elle ne buvait plus de lait
depuis au moins 15 ans, et ce n'est pas tr?s bon pour son intestin, mais
je lui laisse l?cher le fond de mon bol. Je vous la ram?nerai pour des
examens d?s notre retour ? Paris d?but septembre.
??? Sigurst, elle, va plut?t bien, apr?s avoir travers? une nouvelle
crise de plaies multiples, soign?e ? la cortisone. C'est une redoutable
chasseresse,: elle poursuit les araign?es sous les meubles, et m'apporte
tous les soirs de grosses sauterelles, que j'essaie de sauver avant
qu'elle leur ait cass? les pattes.
??? Ci-joint quelques photos de ces deux demoiselles en situation.
Bonne fin de vacances et ? bient?t!
??? MMJocelyne Fernandez
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From: Anna Sj?berg <anna.sjoberg at ling.su.se<mailto:anna.sjoberg at ling.su.se>>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
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Horie (2001) contains a section on the semantics of different complementation strategies, including terminology. Direct vs. indirect perception or event vs. proposition perception (also second-order vs. third-order entities (Lyons 1989)) are mentioned, also percept. vs concept (Bolinger 1971) and immediate perception constructions vs. mental perception constructions (Dik & Hengeveld 1991).
Best,
Anna Sj?berg
Bolinger, Dwight. 1974. "Concept and percept: two infinitive constructions and their vicissitudes". In: World papers in phonetics: festschrift for Dr. Onishi's kizyu. Tokyo: The Phonetic Society of Japan, 65? 91.
Dik, Simon C. & Hengeveld, Kees. 1991. "The hierarchical structure of the clause and the typology of perception-verb complements". Linguistics 29: 231-259.
Horie, Kaoru. 2001. Complement clauses. In: Haspelmath, Martin, Ekkehard K?nig, Wulf Oesterreicher, and Wolfgang Raible (eds.), Language Typology and Language Universals : An International Handbook vol 2, 979-993. Berlin/New York: Walter de Gruyter
Lyons, John. 1989. "Semantic ascent: a neglected aspect of syntactic typology". In: Arnold, Doug & Atkinson, Martin & Durand, Jacques & Grover, Claire & Sadler, Louisa, (eds.). Essays on grammatical theory and universal grammar. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 153 ? 186.
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?mne: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Christian,
This is what we proposed and argued for in our 1991 paper:
Frajzyngier, Zygmunt, and Robert Jasperson. 1991f. That clauses and other complements. Lingua 83.133-153.
All best,
Zygmunt
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Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
Thanks in advance,
Christian
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