[Lingtyp] Intuitions about inclusive time reference

[Lidia Federica Mazzitelli]

Dear Östen,

In Italian I would say:

"*Oggi Mary spedisce la domanda*" ** Today Mary submits the application' -
if I am just fact-stating (In a context like Colleague A: "How's it going
with that proposal Mary has been working on? ME: *Tutto bene, oggi la
spedisce *"All good, today she submits it" - it is fine both in case she
already sent it/ she has not yet sent it.)

 "*Oggi Mary dovrebbe spedire la domanda*" 'Today Mary should submit the
application' (who knows if she will at all?)  - if chatting with a third
colleague about Mary (and I am unsure whether she will be submitting the
application at all).

(** Please note: In real life I'd say "*oggi Maria sottomette la
domanda per la grant*", o "oggi *Maria sottomette l'applicazione**" *but I
would then have to endure endless reprimands from purists who say "you
don't use "sottomettere" and "applicare"/"applicazione" in Italian with
that meaning!" - even if almost everyone uses them (and I fully
endorse this use). I don't even try to translate grant, so I blocked it out
from my translation.)

My intuition on Lakurumau, an Oceanic language of PNG, is that they would
use the irrealis - unless they were absolutely certain she had already sent
it (But that's not the context you imagined, right?)

T*aning** Mary  ka=daa        lis     paan-in    a     application  pan=a
    grant*
today  M.      3SG.S=IRR  send  go-APPL ART application OBL=ART grant

Best,
Lidia



Il mer 14 feb 2024, 22:29 Östen Dahl <oesten at ling.su.se> ha scritto:

> I would like to ask for intuitions about the following, in one or more
> languages that you are acquainted with.
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> Suppose your colleague Mary said on Monday: "Tomorrow I'm going to submit
> my grant proposal." Now it's about noon on Tuesday, and you have no idea
> whatsoever of the time of the realization of her intention. Maybe she did
> it in the morning, maybe she'll wait until midnight, and maybe she's just
> doing it right now. How would you express the sentence below in your
> language(s), replacing SUBMIT by a suitable verb form? The idea is that you
> should try to use a maximally simple and natural formulation without
> excluding any possibility.
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> Today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal
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> All comments are welcome.
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> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Östen
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