[Lingtyp] Intuitions about inclusive time reference

[Paolo Ramat]

A discussion among Italian native speakers:
*today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal *
might be rendered also by
*a) Oggi M. invierà *(FUT)* la sua domanda per la borsa,*   with "will
send" the sentence means that M.  hasn't yet sent it, but she will
certainly do it today
Pier Marco's c)  interpretation
c) *Oggi Maria voleva (*Imperfect*) inviare la sua domanda  *can in my
idiolect be preferably continued by *but she didn't / she failed.*

P.S. *domanda per la borsa *sounds a more exact translation than the
undefined, vague 'proposta' (unless the context makes it clear that we are
speaking in an academic cotext)

Best,
Paolo

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Il giorno gio 15 feb 2024 alle ore 19:13 Christian Lehmann <
christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de> ha scritto:

> Dear Östen,
>
> as has become clear from the German answers and apparently some others as
> well, there is one feature in your contextual description which may not be
> essential to your concern but which does make a difference for the best
> choice in these languages. It is this: "Suppose your colleague Mary
> said...". If she herself is the source of information, I find my own
> proposal most natural. If this condition is dropped - with the source of
> information being anything else or being no matter -, then certainly the
> bare present tense of the verb would suffice.
>
> Best, Christian
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Am 14.02.2024 um 21:29 schrieb Östen Dahl:
>
> I would like to ask for intuitions about the following, in one or more
> languages that you are acquainted with.
>
>
>
> Suppose your colleague Mary said on Monday: "Tomorrow I'm going to submit
> my grant proposal." Now it's about noon on Tuesday, and you have no idea
> whatsoever of the time of the realization of her intention. Maybe she did
> it in the morning, maybe she'll wait until midnight, and maybe she's just
> doing it right now. How would you express the sentence below in your
> language(s), replacing SUBMIT by a suitable verb form? The idea is that you
> should try to use a maximally simple and natural formulation without
> excluding any possibility.
>
>
>
> Today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal
>
>
>
> All comments are welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Östen
>
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