[Lingtyp] Comorphemization (?)

Mon Sep 30 09:49:07 UTC 2024

Would we use these same terms for
'discover'/'uncover'?

What about
'walked'/'walks'?

How about
'unfair'/'unlikely'?

My point being, in what sense are these not just morpheme doing morpheme
things?

If a language has, for example

ana 'child'
mo'ane 'man; male'
wowine 'woman; female'

ana mo'ane 'boy'
ana wowine 'girl'
(arguably single words for some purposes, despite the orthographic gap)

then my inclination is just to talk about morphemes doing morpheme things.

-Mark

On Mon, 30 Sept 2024 at 19:19, Guillaume Jacques via Lingtyp <
lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:

> Dear Ian and colleagues,
>
>  "comorphemization" and the verb "comorphemize" look like an apt way of
> describing what you are looking for:
>
> erzi comorphemizes nüer / erzi and nüer are in comorphemic relationship.
>
> GJ
>
>
>
>
> Le lun. 30 sept. 2024 à 11:11, JOO Ian via Lingtyp <
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> a écrit :
>
>> Dear Jesse,
>>
>> you’re right. But this is more about the lexemes erzi and nüer and not
>> about er. I need a term that says the underlined part of “erzi and nüer *share
>> a same morpheme*” in one word.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ian
>>
>>
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>> JOO, IAN
>> 准教授
>> Associate Professor
>> 小樽商科大学
>> Otaru University of Commerce
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>> 2024/09/30 17:49, Jesse P. Gates <stauskad at gmail.com> 작성:
>>
>> Dear Ian,
>>
>> But isn't the only reason *er* 儿 has two different meanings (at least
>> synchronically) in these examples because of the modifying morphemes that
>> they are compounded with? Otherwise they could be interpreted as just
>> having one meaning: 'child'. Same Spanish niñ-.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 4:38 PM JOO Ian via Lingtyp <
>> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mae,
>>>
>>> What I meant was cases like Spanish niño and niña or Chinese er-zi and
>>> nü-er, which mean son and daughter and share the same morpheme (niñ-, er,
>>> respectively), as opposed to English son and daughter which do not share
>>> any.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> 朱 易安
>>> JOO, IAN
>>> 准教授
>>> Associate Professor
>>> 小樽商科大学
>>> Otaru University of Commerce
>>>
>>> 🌐 ianjoo.github.io
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>>>
>>> 2024/09/30 17:25, Mae Carroll <mattcarrollj at gmail.com> 작성:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi Ian
>>>
>>> I suppose you mean syncretism, which is where some morphological
>>> formative, e.g. a morpheme if that's your approach, covers multiple
>>> meanings or multiple cells in the paradigm which aren't captured by a
>>> single feature. Some people reserve the term for whole word syncretism
>>> while others are fine with applying the term to morphological formatives.
>>> Another term is morphological/inflectional/derivational homonymy.
>>>
>>> I am not sure I follow your example of Son and Daughter, do you mean
>>> they share some affix or do you mean their stem is the same? If it's their
>>> stem why isn't it different from just homonymy.
>>>
>>> Also, I think the term colexification is for when a type of lexical
>>> homonymy that is systematic, structured and culturally relevant, so I am
>>> not sure exactly how this might apply to morphology.
>>>
>>> Interesting thought.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Mae
>>>
>>> Dr Mae Carroll (she/her)
>>> Lecturer in Linguistics
>>> School of Languages and Linguistics
>>> University of Melbourne
>>> www.maecarroll.com
>>>
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>>> the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nations, and pay my respects to Elders
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 6:15 PM JOO Ian via Lingtyp <
>>> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear typologists,
>>>>
>>>> Two meanings sharing one lexeme is known as colexification. Is there
>>>> also a word for two meanings sharing one morpheme (but not necessarily the
>>>> same lexeme), such as the lexemes for SON and DAUGHTER sharing the same
>>>> morpheme?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ian
>>>>
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>>>> 朱 易安
>>>> JOO, IAN
>>>> 准教授
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> 小樽商科大学
>>>> Otaru University of Commerce
>>>>
>>>> 🌐 ianjoo.github.io
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>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> *Jesse P. Gates, PhD*
>> *Project Director*
>> Stau Language Grammar and Documentation Project
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