Sign Spelling Syllables question

Fri May 16 18:52:18 UTC 2008


Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> May 14, 2008
>
> Hello Hasna!
> Thank you for your kind words...
>
> Yes...the SignSpelling Guidelines 2004 manual is quite out-of-date, 
> but it is still online for download. Go to this web page:
>
> *Sutton's SymbolBank*
> http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/
>
> and scroll down. Click on Number 1 to download the manual...
>
> I hope it won't confuse you, since through experience we have learned 
> that location comes later in the SignSpelling Sequence...Through 
> working with people trying to find signs that are sorted by symbols, 
> we found that they look for handshape first, and then movement, but 
> location comes last, when searching for a group of signs...so the 
> location is now moved to the end of the SignSpelling...that is the 
> biggest difference between SignSpellings in 2004 and SignSpellings in 
> 2008...the new 2008 manual will explain this...
>
> meanwhile, the SignSpelling data that is produced in SignPuddle is 
> just providing the sequence of the symbols, without grouping them into 
> "syllables"...knowledge of syllables helps those who are trying to 
> learn how to determine the SignSpelling for a sign, but it was never 
> programmed in our SWML...
>
> Just like in English...if you asked me..."What is the spelling of the 
> world "INTERESTING" I would say:
>
> I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G
>
> I would not say IN-TER-EST-ING, unless I was trying to teach phonics 
> of other kinds of reading techniques...
>
> So technically syllables could be programmed someday...by asking the 
> person who is entering the SignSpelling data to also tell the software 
> where the break is, between syllables...but that is the future...
Val,
    One area that syllables could be useful however is for changing from 
expressive to receptive writing form.  I remember when you explained the 
differences to us that some symbols change vertical order in which they 
are written when going expressive to receptive.  I have been thinking of 
writing some code to do this but then realized the level difficulty 
especially without have the symbols grouped in syllables.  I'm busy 
programing other features that I fell are more important.  I hope to 
include the ISWA in my program soon.

Jonathan
>
> Why do you need this information? What is your project?
>
> Val ;-)
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> On May 14, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Hasna Hocini wrote:
>
>> Hello again!
>> Thank you very much for your answers and for all the information you 
>> gave me!
>> So much work to do! That's really very beautiful!
>> Can you tell me please if the SignSpelling Guidelines 2004 the last 
>> one available?
>> Thanks a lot!
>> Hasna
>> */Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com <mailto:signwriting at mac.com>>/* 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>     SignWriting List
>>     May 14, 2008
>>
>>     Hasna Hocini wrote:
>>>     I need a file where I can have the SignSpelling Syllables. I
>>>     found  the sbml file. In this file we find:
>>>     <Sequence>............ </Sequence>
>>>     it is I guess the signspelling sequence. But I can't find a file
>>>     with the signspelling syllables. Can you help me with that
>>>     please. Thank you very much and have a good night, Hasna Hocini
>>
>>     Hello Hasna!
>>     Thank you for this unusual question ;-)
>>
>>     It is unusual because we have never broken down the SignSpelling
>>     data into segments called "syllables". Not from a software point
>>     of view anyway...as far as i know ;-)
>>
>>     I just completed the International SignWriting Alphabet (ISWA
>>     2008) last Friday. I delivered it to Steve Slevinski, who is
>>     developing the SignWriting Image Server and other software, that
>>     will bring the ISWA to the general public...
>>
>>     You'll probably be interested in the SignWriting Image Server
>>     (http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis).  Steve just released
>>     the beta.  You can download the project if you want.
>>     http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis.zip
>>
>>     Over the next few months, Steve will release more open source
>>     software for use, such as SignMaker and SignText.
>>
>>     Steve is currently rewriting SignPuddle to use the ISWA symbol
>>     set, rather than the older IMWA symbol set.  It will be able to
>>     export data for use with the SignWriting Image Server.
>>
>>     Now that I have completed the ISWA 2008, I plan to do the following:
>>
>>     1. Write a new manual: "SignSpelling Guidelines 2008". This will
>>     provide you with important information on SignSpelling rules,
>>     including how to add SignSpellings into current SignPuddle
>>     software. I will address the issue of SignSyllables in the
>>     manual, but that will only be in the manual and not a part of
>>     SWML at this time...
>>
>>     2. I need to update our SignBank Desktop Database software to use
>>     the symbols in the new ISWA 2008...so that is a big job for me to
>>     update SignBank. Once that has been done, I will create a new
>>     download for SignBank users...
>>
>>     So I will keep you informed as to when the SignSpelling
>>     Guidelines 2008 is ready for download on the web...
>>
>>     If you want to ask me more questions, perhaps I can help you sign
>>     by sign...
>>
>>     Val ;-)
>>
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