comparison of lifelike drawings, word description and SW -spell ing- Grace A

[Bill Reese]

I sent this to Stefan directly by mistake.  Reposting here..  Bill ...

Stefan,

I'd like to comment on the rotation movement.  From what it looks like
in Grace A, there is a rotation movement first and then the transition
between the first handshape and the second.   That seems to be
consistant with the concept of grace turning toward a person first and
then being bestowed.  In that context, I would deem the movement very
important.

Bill


Stefan Woehrmann wrote:

> Hi Tini, Valerie and list members,
>
> great to hear from you - and thank you very much for your spelling -
> discussion  -
>
> I bet all of us can learn a lot from this -
>
> First of all - it is good to concentrate on writing a given movement -
> so we do not discuss different variations of a sign in any SL but just
> on how to write the given hand shapes, movements --
>
> (Hi Valerie, Charles, friend from Japan .. remember our wonderful
> workshop on video transcription of the Markus evangelium ,
> unfortunately we ended too soon ....;-)) but I learned a lot from that...)
>
> What is so interesting to me in these spelling discussions is that
> different people look and identify different aspects - of the
> important parameters -
> SW can be written much more precisely - compared to drawings, movies,
> word descriptions ...
>
> On the other hand  - ask 5 Deaf native signers and ask them to
> sign the same sign and you definitely will find differences in their
> performance ... that can be written in SW
> Even one and the same signer will perform the same sign on 7 days
> differently .... ;-))
>
> Hi Tini -
> Look at your attached graphic - lifelike drawing of your Grace(A)  and
> Grace (B)
>
> I refer to the Sutton-Symbol-Sequence 2002 - this way you know what
> hand shape I am talking about! ( Great job - Valerie!!)
>
> Looking at the description  in words - you get the idea of a hand
> shape like SSS 01-05-025 (Oval)  (thumb touching the (=all) fingertips
> - the drawing on the other hand looks more like  01- 05 - 020 (Circle)
> The explanation says : " The hand seems to take s.th. from God ... )
> Therefore - the author thinks obviously of a hinge- movement - which
> might end in hand shape - hand shape - 01-05-030  (Angel) ...
> (You decided to start with this hand shape ... )
>
> now second phase-
>
> "spreading the fingers and moving down - " - you decided to choose
> symbol 01-05-003  (5 Fingers Bent = claw-hand)
>
> well the drawing shows fingers that are not bent ??? perhaps 01 - 05 -
> 005  (5 Fingers cup) or more likely  01 - 05 - 006 5 Fingers Hinge
>
> what about hand-orientation -
>
> the text says .. "shower it down..." Perhaps the focus could be on
> back of hand upside ?? instead of palm facing ?? What do you think??
>
> What about eye gaze ? Both of the signers look straight ahead . but is
> this indented or just a matter of how to produce lots of lifelike
> drawings with a given set of faces ... ??
> I rather would expect an eye gaze diagonal upwards ...
>
> I agree - with Valerie  - I try to avoid additional movement arrows if
> the starting position and the end position defines what has to happen
> to get there ;-)))
> So in this case as well - no additional rotation movement - symbol needed
>
> Perhaps you or other list members are interested to create some other
> spellings of this posted - lifelike - drawing with text - illustration
> - In the end we will see that it is worth to understand that the best
> way to communicate about movement is not a video, a life-like drawing
> or a description by words but a spelling with an extraordinary
> movement writing system  - like SW -
>
> Have a great day
>
> Stefan;-))
>
> PS -I attached Your illustration once more  ....  Are you interested
> in a discussion about your second spelling? Grace B???
>
>
>     -----Urspr ÿÿ gliche Nachricht-----
>     Von: SignWriting List [mailto:SW-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA]Im Auftrag
>     von Tini Pel
>     Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2004 16:37
>     An: SW-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA
>     Betreff: SW. Grace
>
>     Hello Valerie and list,
>     Well here is my try-out of writing both signs of Grace in S.W. See
>     previous message.
>
>     Tini.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20040228/c087c175/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/bmp
Size: 9888 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20040228/c087c175/attachment.bin>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/gif
Size: 78064 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20040228/c087c175/attachment.gif>